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Beautiful Disaster

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24. We need to stop with the third party candidate boogeyman.
Thu Jun 15, 2023, 10:57 PM
Jun 2023

Ralph Nader ran for president four consecutive times between 1996 and 2008.

We only focus on one election, 2000, because it's the only one we look to as costing the Democrats the presidency.

But think about it: Nader didn't instantly grow into this firebrand phenom between 1996, when he garnered 685,435 votes, and 2000, where he garnered 2.8 million votes. And he certainly didn't just 'lose it' four years later when he garnered only 465,642 votes.

Nader was propped up by a complicit media and apathy on the left.

It wasn't Nader who cost Al Gore the presidency. If you take out Nader for any other third party candidate and you're likely to have a similar result. What cost Al Gore the presidency was the assumption that he and Bush were two sides of the same coin.

It's why, in 2004, Nader was such a non-factor - because people actually saw what Bush was and realized he and the Democrat weren't the same. Of course, it cut both ways: it galvanized Bush's supporters just as much as it did Kerry's. They just had a little bit more of them than we did ours.

Now people forget that Nader ran in 2008. He received 739,278 votes, which was higher than in 2004 and 1996 (though, it was also a higher turnout election and he only received .56% of the vote, compared to .71% in 1996 and .38% in 2004).

But that was another election where the differences were stark.

Gary Johnson also ran in 2012 - four years before he'd run in 2016. In 2012, he only pulled in .99% nationally In 2016, 3.27%.

Did Johnson instantly become a political sensation?

No. Sub out Johnson for Jo Jorgensen, who ran in 2020, and you probably see a similar number.

The issue is never the candidate. It's the narrative.

2000 and 2016 stick out because they were polarizing elections where voters felt, regardless who they supported, they results in the end would be the same. So, they voted third party in protest.

It's incumbent on Biden to define the differences. The good news is that we know the differences. No one is going to be fooled by Trump like maybe a few were in 2016. They know what he presents. No third party candidate is going to change that.

Still, Biden needs to define himself and give voters reason to support him - and if that reason is mostly because he's not Trump, it'll probably be a winning message.

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I think you're preaching to the choir here. live love laugh Jun 2023 #1
Speaking as a former Green, I agree. I don't think there are many GPV Jun 2023 #3
Any post on DU is speaking to the choir Cyrano Jun 2023 #4
Gotcha. I definitely do spread the word AMAP. live love laugh Jun 2023 #5
Biden received 81 million votes!!!!!!! jimfields33 Jun 2023 #12
He could still win by the same margin ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #21
I forgot. Ugh. Thanks for your post. jimfields33 Jun 2023 #22
I don't think they have changed... OneGrassRoot Jun 2023 #2
It's been over 20 years since Ralph Nader ran as a 3rd party candidate. Yavin4 Jun 2023 #6
It was 20 years in 2016, now 27. JHB Jun 2023 #14
Tell it!! I worry about that also. I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP funded it. walkingman Jun 2023 #7
Democrats meet with anti-Trump conservatives to fight No Labels 2024 bid LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2023 #8
Good. No Labels is bad news. nt crickets Jun 2023 #15
Only if they attract a game altering number of votes. Model35mech Jun 2023 #9
It seems like the right is more ripe for a third party candidate Shermann Jun 2023 #10
I think "Brother Cornell," "Brother Bernie," and "Brother Trump" should all take a long vacation DFW Jun 2023 #11
JFK said about AMericans and his Democratic supporters in particular... Model35mech Jun 2023 #13
"a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market" DFW Jun 2023 #27
Bernie has been a staunch Biden supporter questionseverything Jun 2023 #17
West thought so. DFW Jun 2023 #26
West is a nut fuck questionseverything Jun 2023 #30
Don't lump Bernie Sanders in with them FakeNoose Jun 2023 #18
I was quoting West. n/t DFW Jun 2023 #25
And we cannot allow the MAGA assholes to regain power. Initech Jun 2023 #16
GOTV and stop worrying about 0.01% GreenWave Jun 2023 #19
I don't think so. Demsrule86 Jun 2023 #20
We're lucky that because of Sore Loser laws... RFK Jr can't run a 3rd Party ticket WarGamer Jun 2023 #23
We need to stop with the third party candidate boogeyman. Beautiful Disaster Jun 2023 #24
I would worry more about the Problem Makers and No Labels pecosbob Jun 2023 #28
But ... but ... but ... they're voting their conscience or something. It's all about them. betsuni Jun 2023 #29
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