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WarGamer

(18,606 posts)
23. Hmmm...
Fri Jun 16, 2023, 11:06 PM
Jun 2023

I guess I'm old school.

When I was young, I thought war was cool... had tank books at 11 years old... I grew up in rural IL and played "army" in the corn fields with a 2x4 as a gun and corn cobs as grenades.

The older I got, I continued to love reading about war... recognizing the events and the leaders... but gradually began to see the waste of it all.

Ok... some might not have been a waste, like the Frankish King Charles Martel defeating the Umayyad Califate in 732 at Tours which prevented the Muslim conquest into Europe.



Now, I'm going to sound like a hippie saying this... I don't think the World SHOULD be run by a single power. Evidence: Iraq War. Illegal war that was sanctioned by 100+ countries because they didn't want to offend the world's superpower.

Putin does it, he's a global skunk.

Bush did it, barking seals standing on their hind legs, clapping their flippers singing ark ark ark ark...



Ukraine.

I don't think we can judge the Western involvement at this stage. If it ends in thermonuclear war it was a bad move. If it lasts 20 years and 4 million Ukrainians die and Russia wins anyways... was a bad idea.

If it destabilizes global geopolitics for 50 years, maybe not so great.

If Russia arms the "next" victim of a US war in the future with MANPADS or drones or such things... bad thing.

And finally, if Ukraine pushed Russia out of the country THIS year... and Putin is replaced by a moderate... HUGE success...

So in summary... I think we should live in a multi-polar world with multiple strong countries as long as they're dedicated to Peace.

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WHY indeed. All I know for sure is NEVER trust a Republican. live love laugh Jun 2023 #1
Just wanted to add... WarGamer Jun 2023 #2
I would say MOMFUDSKI Jun 2023 #3
I thought about that option... WarGamer Jun 2023 #4
Whatever any r's say Marthe48 Jun 2023 #5
Ok... WarGamer Jun 2023 #6
I think the r's mentioned are putting the country before a traitor Marthe48 Jun 2023 #16
I think most Dems see them in the same light they see Liz Cheney Metaphorical Jun 2023 #7
good points... WarGamer Jun 2023 #8
Not me. Cheney is still GOPer thru and thru 617Blue Jun 2023 #28
Steve Schmidt isn't one of them - he left TLP a couple of years ago FakeNoose Jun 2023 #9
Frankly that's an even bigger question. WarGamer Jun 2023 #11
Nicole Wallace was a senior campaign advisor for McCain. femmedem Jun 2023 #33
Well... didn't Lee Atwater have a change of heart.... Montauk6 Aug 2023 #34
I for one am very grateful for their dedication to democracy. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2023 #10
Like said above... WarGamer Jun 2023 #12
disagree. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2023 #20
"But Trump activated hidden voters." kentuck Jun 2023 #13
IIRC, polling showed lots of never voted before folks. WarGamer Jun 2023 #15
My guess is that after Trump, those organizations will disappear. BlueCheeseAgain Jun 2023 #14
Yes, once we've done all the heavy lifting, they will go back to what they were doing... JHB Jun 2023 #17
I do remember Wilson saying awhile ago Mr.Bill Jun 2023 #18
The entire GOP is permanently diseased. Wilson et al are not going back. 617Blue Jun 2023 #30
They make no secret about what they are iemanja Jun 2023 #19
This. Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #25
Not all war is bad - FDR/Truman believed that a proactive Western stance radius777 Jun 2023 #21
Hmmm... WarGamer Jun 2023 #23
This is what I've been saying: the Bush-Cheney crime network hates Trump. yardwork Jun 2023 #22
+1000 so true... WarGamer Jun 2023 #24
They're not just anti-Trump 617Blue Jun 2023 #26
Exactly. They're pro governance Johonny Jun 2023 #27
Charlie Sykes and The Bulwark have been fantastic 617Blue Jun 2023 #29
As someone said obnoxiousdrunk Jun 2023 #31
Let's beat the fascists. Then we can argue about taxes and regulations. nt 617Blue Jun 2023 #32
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