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moniss

(9,067 posts)
14. I am not sure
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 11:49 AM
Jun 2023

about claims that we are "not at war" and so don't have a statutory "enemy". Although Congress didn't declare war in Korea we never ended hostilities with an official peace treaty. I am not sure we need a formal declaration by Congress in order to have a statutory enemy. I also don't know if the treason statute requires a declared war because the language quoted says "or adheres to their enemies" so it talks about two scenarios that are not necessarily tied together because of the use of the word "or" rather than "and".

Also the statute in question, and as quoted, is specifically talking about someone owing allegiance being the one levying war etc. So there may well be legal matters to chew on here. As quoted I don't see a requirement for a declared war or that the war against the US must involve anybody other than the person owing allegiance to the US.

There may be case law clarifying all of this but absent that it would appear that the statute was written broadly enough to cover acts that were unknown or unthinkable at the time of passage and purposely gave latitude in defining what constitutes "adheres to their enemies". Because the penalties specified have a broad range from 5 years/10K to death it would indicate that the statute contemplated a wide interpretation of treason for a wide variety of acts.

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I'm feeling kinda 'originalist' today EYESORE 9001 Jun 2023 #1
No, he'd be taking a shit Aviation Pro Jun 2023 #2
I would expect as much EYESORE 9001 Jun 2023 #5
The Rosenbergs weren't charged with treason. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #4
Noted EYESORE 9001 Jun 2023 #6
I won't rest easy until... alterfurz Jun 2023 #12
I'm all for Traildogbob Jun 2023 #19
Actually Traildogbob Jun 2023 #20
Willful public embarrassment? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #3
However moniss Jun 2023 #15
There is a reason why no one has been charged with treason since 1954 Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #21
Open hostility moniss Jun 2023 #26
The refusal of the DOJ to bring charges of treason for almost 80 years proves the veracity Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #28
It proves only moniss Jun 2023 #30
Do you expect Trump will be charged with treason? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #31
I have no opinion moniss Jun 2023 #33
On this we agree. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #35
Jack Smith isn't done yet, there will be many more indictments to come FakeNoose Jun 2023 #7
Emptywheel.net is an excellent source of unemotional, clearheaded info Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #25
America has not gone to war against an enemy since WW2. sanatanadharma Jun 2023 #8
The U.S. does not need to be at war for a treason charge to be applied Aviation Pro Jun 2023 #9
I agree with you, but we hear here on DU from others to the contrary sanatanadharma Jun 2023 #11
Please list all the treason cases since WWII Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #22
The statute is plain as fucking day. My question is, Beastly Boy Jun 2023 #10
K&R Blue Owl Jun 2023 #13
I am not sure moniss Jun 2023 #14
Why have there been no treason cases brought since WWII then? Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #24
A decision moniss Jun 2023 #27
No serious person shares your perspective Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #29
I would note moniss Jun 2023 #32
I rarely watch tv news Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #34
Actually moniss Jun 2023 #36
Wouldn't previous cases establish "black letter law"? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #37
You have several things moniss Jun 2023 #38
The full text of the statute is quoted in the OP Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #39
That is not the full text moniss Jun 2023 #41
It leaves no room for mental gymnastics or twisted semantics " Ray Bruns Jun 2023 #16
Tell us how you feel :)...Many of us feel the same way. Escurumbele Jun 2023 #17
I agree that he has declared war against the US and the constitution thereof Warpy Jun 2023 #18
+1 n/t area51 Jun 2023 #40
There are laws as severe as treason on the books Farmer-Rick Jun 2023 #23
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