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moniss

(9,076 posts)
26. Open hostility
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 02:48 PM
Jun 2023

could be applied in the Taliban case as well as others. But I don't know if I would rely on a Wiki entry as opposed to the actual court case citations from Findlaw etc. and then reading the actual documents for those cases. There is much here in this whole discussion that bears examination as to whether it is founded in case law or whether charges not being brought has simply been a practice. If it is just a general practice sort of thing then other applications are not precluded per se. Just because 100 cases before didn't get charged doesn't mean that another cannot be charged. I am simply saying that case law is what is supposed to guide us here and not just relying on a "memo" sort of understanding as an example like we use with not charging a sitting President. That particular memo as an example hasn't really been run through the courts. The reason being that nobody tried it. Doesn't make it a sound way to proceed it only makes it an "out" for not taking action.

I believe my discussion is based not on personal opinion and animus but a questioning of the actual existence and meaning real citations from court cases rather than an opinion of someone writing for NBC or any organization. Usually these articles will state things and make claims about who said or did what but I have no way of checking the voracity of those claims without the actual court case citations. An opinion in DOJ or Congress or State Department or Pentagon is just exactly that and is not law. It may be customary practice but it is not law. I raise questions and I am not claiming to have definition one way or the other. To the contrary, I am asking for definitive legal decisions based on case law because absent all of that I am merely reading opinion no matter the source.

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I'm feeling kinda 'originalist' today EYESORE 9001 Jun 2023 #1
No, he'd be taking a shit Aviation Pro Jun 2023 #2
I would expect as much EYESORE 9001 Jun 2023 #5
The Rosenbergs weren't charged with treason. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #4
Noted EYESORE 9001 Jun 2023 #6
I won't rest easy until... alterfurz Jun 2023 #12
I'm all for Traildogbob Jun 2023 #19
Actually Traildogbob Jun 2023 #20
Willful public embarrassment? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #3
However moniss Jun 2023 #15
There is a reason why no one has been charged with treason since 1954 Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #21
Open hostility moniss Jun 2023 #26
The refusal of the DOJ to bring charges of treason for almost 80 years proves the veracity Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #28
It proves only moniss Jun 2023 #30
Do you expect Trump will be charged with treason? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #31
I have no opinion moniss Jun 2023 #33
On this we agree. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #35
Jack Smith isn't done yet, there will be many more indictments to come FakeNoose Jun 2023 #7
Emptywheel.net is an excellent source of unemotional, clearheaded info Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #25
America has not gone to war against an enemy since WW2. sanatanadharma Jun 2023 #8
The U.S. does not need to be at war for a treason charge to be applied Aviation Pro Jun 2023 #9
I agree with you, but we hear here on DU from others to the contrary sanatanadharma Jun 2023 #11
Please list all the treason cases since WWII Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #22
The statute is plain as fucking day. My question is, Beastly Boy Jun 2023 #10
K&R Blue Owl Jun 2023 #13
I am not sure moniss Jun 2023 #14
Why have there been no treason cases brought since WWII then? Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #24
A decision moniss Jun 2023 #27
No serious person shares your perspective Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #29
I would note moniss Jun 2023 #32
I rarely watch tv news Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #34
Actually moniss Jun 2023 #36
Wouldn't previous cases establish "black letter law"? Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #37
You have several things moniss Jun 2023 #38
The full text of the statute is quoted in the OP Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #39
That is not the full text moniss Jun 2023 #41
It leaves no room for mental gymnastics or twisted semantics " Ray Bruns Jun 2023 #16
Tell us how you feel :)...Many of us feel the same way. Escurumbele Jun 2023 #17
I agree that he has declared war against the US and the constitution thereof Warpy Jun 2023 #18
+1 n/t area51 Jun 2023 #40
There are laws as severe as treason on the books Farmer-Rick Jun 2023 #23
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