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Lonestarblue

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19. The article I read states that there was a noticeable drop in scores in 2012.
Wed Jun 21, 2023, 01:17 PM
Jun 2023

So what was happening just before then? In 2010 Republicans gained control of many school board and state houses. Many promptly started meddling in public education, though red states have always tried to mold public education to suit conservative beliefs.

The leftover cuts from the Great Recession probably were not restored. Charter schools were beginning to siphon money from public schools. Mainstreaming had become the primary education model, and if not done well it has a deleterious effect on the learning of non-disabled students.

Teacher salaries have not kept up with inflation, and many people have left the profession. A few years ago, education was so bad in Kansas after Republicans cut taxes for the rich and just kept cutting money from education that many teachers left the state. Kids were learning from social studies books that were 20+ years out of date and falling apart because there was no money for books. Republican policies definitely hurt education.

Things have not improved since 2012. Some states, like Texas, increased class size to avoid hiring more teachers. When this was done a Texas, a number of veteran teachers left the profession because trying to teach a class of 35-40 kids is not conducive to learning. Ideal class sizes are close to 20.

In addition, social media has had an impact on school behavior and on classroom disturbances. Kids also mirror the behavior of the adults around them, and we have a non-civil society that seeks violence to solve even minor disagreements. Most kids also now have cellphones, and parents demand that they have access to them so they can call 911 if an active shooter is trying to murder them!

We need an overhaul of our approach to education, but Republicans are not serious partners. They only blame unions for all the problems and want to get their hands on public monies by starting for-profit charter schools. What DeSantis is doing in Florida will not help education and is likely to make things worse as experienced teachers choose to leave and partisan school boards hire hacks who believe as they believe but have little or no teaching experience.

Sadly, I see student scores onky getting worse.

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Our Education System Sucks [View all] NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 OP
Home schooling and Bible schools don't help vlyons Jun 2023 #1
I don't know what good being able to solve calculus problems.... Kaleva Jun 2023 #6
Math is a form Casady1 Jun 2023 #9
But could one could achieve that with basic math? Kaleva Jun 2023 #12
Didn't you just say Casady1 Jun 2023 #15
Yes. Basic math classes ended up on completion of the 8th grade Kaleva Jun 2023 #20
Algebra NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #33
You use algebra all the time ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #46
How I Do It NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #47
That's Still Algebra ProfessorGAC Jun 2023 #55
Junior High NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #60
Since I Retired... ProfessorGAC Jun 2023 #67
I Wish NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #70
STEM is incredinly lacking right now Johnny2X2X Jun 2023 #18
Then it shouldn't help anybody right? Ever the contrarian. JanMichael Jun 2023 #52
Where did I say it won't help everybody. Kaleva Jun 2023 #65
I was homeschooled vercetti2021 Jun 2023 #63
We need to invest in schools and materials, but mostly we need to invest in teachers. Biophilic Jun 2023 #2
+1 2naSalit Jun 2023 #45
yes Debunk.Bunk Jun 2023 #3
Locally funded education. How incredibly stupid unblock Jun 2023 #4
We are 6th in the world on education spending federally jimfields33 Jun 2023 #21
This Site Shows It Even Higher ProfessorGAC Jun 2023 #56
Kind of Like Healthcare NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #64
It Says In The Body Of The Text... ProfessorGAC Jun 2023 #66
Missed That - Thanks NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #69
One thing those countries have in common is that they Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #5
All the education I ever needed I had gotten by the end of the 8th grade. Kaleva Jun 2023 #7
College level Casady1 Jun 2023 #11
What would I do with political science? Kaleva Jun 2023 #17
basic math does not cover Casady1 Jun 2023 #22
And yet I was able to repair complex weapons systems, heating systems, Kaleva Jun 2023 #24
okay Casady1 Jun 2023 #27
We had a president who was educated to around an 8th grade level IbogaProject Jun 2023 #44
DeSantis graduated from Yale and Harvard Kaleva Jun 2023 #48
Your logical fallacy is equivocation. ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #53
Political science Casady1 Jun 2023 #26
Political science is a modern term for civics ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #49
It shouldn't be taught at those grades. jimfields33 Jun 2023 #23
I'm not sure of the purpose behind this post stopdiggin Jun 2023 #25
My argument is that not everyone needs higher education Kaleva Jun 2023 #28
Education is needed Casady1 Jun 2023 #29
Didn't DeSantis graduate from Yale and Harvard? Kaleva Jun 2023 #36
rubbish. Anybody that has the capability stopdiggin Jun 2023 #34
Where did I say people shouldn't take full advantage of what's offered? Kaleva Jun 2023 #38
glad it's worked out for you stopdiggin Jun 2023 #59
You may have heard of people saddled with massive amounts of college debt Kaleva Jun 2023 #68
college debt is a serious concern stopdiggin Jun 2023 #71
It is a fact that are shortages of people in the trades where pay is good. Kaleva Jun 2023 #72
Just Pissed NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #35
Typing NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #30
I recall when we switched from manual to electric and back again Kaleva Jun 2023 #39
Manual NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #41
Teachers and Librarians have been leaving in droves since just before the pandemic haele Jun 2023 #8
the countries listed stopdiggin Jun 2023 #10
I used to think the HS I attended was horrible. Torchlight Jun 2023 #13
Our population is huge compared to all of those countries. jimfields33 Jun 2023 #14
Not unique to US (public) education institutions brooklynite Jun 2023 #16
Pre-Covid NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #37
Some of the highest IB scores in Europe...and higher than the US average. brooklynite Jun 2023 #40
The article I read states that there was a noticeable drop in scores in 2012. Lonestarblue Jun 2023 #19
We should want to change this ASAP. pandr32 Jun 2023 #31
So true. The Repugs have been successful Quakerfriend Jun 2023 #32
Homeschooling more than anything relies on the abilities - and patience - of the parents FakeNoose Jun 2023 #42
Homeschool NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #43
Smart kids are bullied in America pfitz59 Jun 2023 #50
+1 betsuni Jun 2023 #61
Just made a quick list Wolves ov Siberia Jun 2023 #51
My girls went through the German educational system until college DFW Jun 2023 #54
+1 betsuni Jun 2023 #62
That's because the GOP has been working diligently to dismantle it since the 1960s. n/t TygrBright Jun 2023 #57
My kid just finished kindergarten and I feel it was incredible. honest.abe Jun 2023 #58
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