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91. "We live in a sea of stupidity."

Thu Jun 22, 2023, 10:07 PM

Jun 2023

Very well put! That's actually the lesson to be learned from this. We have to make sure that we aren't part of that stupidity.

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A different perspective about the submersible incident, if you don't mind... [View all] Mr. Scorpio Jun 2023 OP

Ironically, the CEO of OceanGate (now RIP) said "We don't want old white guys piloting our sub" WarGamer Jun 2023 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2023 #60

The pilot was 77 yrs old known as Mr Titanic. Historic NY Jun 2023 #153

Old white guys would have cost too much. shrike3 Jun 2023 #166

He must not have had any mirrors in his house. eom littlemissmartypants Jun 2023 #189

Why bother with mirrors when one doesn't soldierant Jun 2023 #198

It's not that I disagree with your entire premise senseandsensibility Jun 2023 #2

Definitely leans wealthy MALE. I'd consider sky-diving, but never something like that... hlthe2b Jun 2023 #16

Considering there were no females in that dive....... nt LiberalFighter Jun 2023 #19

There have been on others. CBS Sunday mornning did a piece on it some time back... hlthe2b Jun 2023 #22

I totally agree!!!! EOM Scottie Mom Jun 2023 #47

Agree nt spooky3 Jun 2023 #53

I would confess to Jimmy Hoffa's burial location DBoon Jun 2023 #112

Thank you montanacowboy Jun 2023 #3

Kicking. MontanaMama Jun 2023 #4

K&R brer cat Jun 2023 #5

very well put Recycle_Guru Jun 2023 #6

It was indeed a "vanity" excursion, plain and simple..... anciano Jun 2023 #7

Yes! It was also macabre. Who spends $200,000 plus to go to a graveyard? littlemissmartypants Jun 2023 #36

Yes rebe303 Jun 2023 #58

❤️ littlemissmartypants Jun 2023 #73

This. calimary Jun 2023 #76

Thank you. I got started & had couldn't quit. It has been an emotionally charging experience. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Jun 2023 #79

3d mapping DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2023 #96

That was a lie. They were a bare bones operation. littlemissmartypants Jun 2023 #102

The boast about breaking the rules will ALWAYS bother me. calimary Jun 2023 #116

During the coverage of this incident... Hugin Jun 2023 #126

ROV? COTS? KPN Jun 2023 #168

Remotely Operated Vehicle & Commercial Off The Shelf. n/t Hugin Jun 2023 #171

Moreover, the OGate operators lied to prospective customers. Several articles reveal that people allegorical oracle Jun 2023 #216

As it turns out, it was scientific - no carbon fiber subs with off-the-shelf parts. hatrack Jun 2023 #136

... Hugin Jun 2023 #140

Hi, Hugin. littlemissmartypants Jun 2023 #180

Humans have a propensity... Hugin Jun 2023 #183

Thanks! ❤️ littlemissmartypants Jun 2023 #188

hatrack, I wish I understood what you mean but this phrase doesn't make sense to me. littlemissmartypants Jun 2023 #177

That is a hypothesis grantcart Jun 2023 #203

... markie Jun 2023 #8

Preach brother HAB911 Jun 2023 #9

Two of them were Pakistani, but I take your point. meadowlander Jun 2023 #10

Yes, I was going to say the same thing. Not all were white. Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #74

was that being reported? i only heard the family wanted privacy nt orleans Jun 2023 #105

There have been some reports like this one: Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #152

I linked to the BBC's report in post 10. There's profiles and pics on all the people who died. meadowlander Jun 2023 #173

I keep thinking of the woman who cried because after saving up for 30 years, her ride down tblue37 Jun 2023 #11

She is on the one someone else has in a video link here. BlackSkimmer Jun 2023 #155

Spot on analysis, I think BunnyMcGee Jun 2023 #12

Male, Mr. Scorpio. Overwhelmingly male. OTT, spot on observations. Hekate Jun 2023 #13

+1 spooky3 Jun 2023 #52

If a black man had the money, he might do it treestar Jun 2023 #14

Maybe Clarence and Ginny Thomas will do it? LiberalFighter Jun 2023 #20

Don't forget Kanye AwakeAtLast Jun 2023 #104

He has lost much of his money. tblue37 Jun 2023 #157

Is he still eating? We should start a Go Fund Me for the poor fellow Bucky Jun 2023 #194

that would be so sad. jcgoldie Jun 2023 #120

Hmm NJCher Jun 2023 #123

Perhaps black people face so much risk in their everyday lives that they don't need to pay for it. barbaraann Jun 2023 #21

as much risk as going down in that submersible treestar Jun 2023 #23

Not that much for sure, but way more than white people, IMHO. n/t barbaraann Jun 2023 #26

Yes, that much....for sure. Sogo Jun 2023 #65

Risk of Death by Accident is orders of magnitude higher DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2023 #70

Black billionaires probably don't have much more risk that other colors DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2023 #71

I would guess that there are so few black billionaires that the risk couldn't be assessed. barbaraann Jun 2023 #97

Black people directly experience the results of risks that fail DBoon Jun 2023 #114

Like when banks fail and the taxpayers bail them out. barbaraann Jun 2023 #117

or when some crazy business idea fails ... DBoon Jun 2023 #118

Seriously, go to an ER some evening. The racial diversity will warm your heart. Bucky Jun 2023 #195

One example that might indicate more cautious behavior by the victims of racism. barbaraann Jun 2023 #219

Right on Ways Jun 2023 #25

No, he wouldn't. NotVeryImportant Jun 2023 #33

Greed and avarice elias7 Jun 2023 #15

+1 appalachiablue Jun 2023 #212

The last thing the captain said was, jaxexpat Jun 2023 #17

link? nt (or are you joking?) nt orleans Jun 2023 #108

The arrogance of rich white men. Murphyb849 Jun 2023 #18

Risk taking is hardly a white man's game Zeitghost Jun 2023 #24

American Psychological Assn guidelines for counseling men and boys spooky3 Jun 2023 #55

Men are certainly more risk seeking Zeitghost Jun 2023 #56

This kind of stupidity is different. People have always wondered what it Wonder Why Jun 2023 #100

I think the bulk of this tragedy LuvLoogie Jun 2023 #27

I'm not sure how you can draw that conclusion regarding the son Zeitghost Jun 2023 #31

I read a blurb where the sister said he LuvLoogie Jun 2023 #34

Okay Zeitghost Jun 2023 #41

According to his aunt, he didn't want to go... PunkinPi Jun 2023 #133

Well, at least 2 of the tourists were Pakistani, so we don't know... getagrip_already Jun 2023 #28

Shahzada Dawood, 48, and Suleman Dawood, 19 meadowlander Jun 2023 #67

Suleman's mother is white JI7 Jun 2023 #145

Who cares? BlackSkimmer Jun 2023 #156

Follow the conversation JI7 Jun 2023 #162

Again, I see race having nothing to do with this. BlackSkimmer Jun 2023 #165

I didn't say race had anything to do with them going on that thing JI7 Jun 2023 #167

But that's the premise of the OP and what I was responding to. meadowlander Jun 2023 #174

The person you replied to made some comments about racial traits JI7 Jun 2023 #209

Rich idiots come in every skin tone. meadowlander Jun 2023 #210

My comment has nothing to do with rich people JI7 Jun 2023 #211

Barack Obama's mother is white. nt LexVegas Jun 2023 #175

We used to celebrate adventurous risk taking Zeitghost Jun 2023 #29

Adventure versus Commercial Venture Random Boomer Jun 2023 #82

I'm not sure if you noticed Zeitghost Jun 2023 #111

Culture or economics? NJCher Jun 2023 #125

You're right. American Experience tells the story this way... littlemissmartypants Jun 2023 #191

It's an anti-rich sentiment. NH Ethylene Jun 2023 #143

We still do, just not blindly and for reasons of vanity. Caliman73 Jun 2023 #179

That's just it Zeitghost Jun 2023 #182

...on second thought, watching Peter Thiel's project sink beneath the waves might be most intriguing calimary Jun 2023 #30

K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2023 #32

Rich White Man Voodoo Beetwasher. Jun 2023 #35

❤️ littlemissmartypants Jun 2023 #37

The Navy knew they popped, but didn't want to divulge secrets? Nice Shanti Shanti Shanti Jun 2023 #38

The Navy shared the info Zeitghost Jun 2023 #44

So what's the theory on the banging noises being heard now? Orcas banging pots n pans? Shanti Shanti Shanti Jun 2023 #122

nature is full of noise Bucky Jun 2023 #196

Explorers explore, but I'd ride with boring old white guys like Bob Ballard and James Cameron Shanti Shanti Shanti Jun 2023 #39

Same here Zeitghost Jun 2023 #46

👍👍👍 Rebl2 Jun 2023 #80

They actually crashed into the Titanic and Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #124

James Cameron has been down 3x deeper, to 35,787 fucking feet , that's some wild shit, he rules Shanti Shanti Shanti Jun 2023 #207

That's nice. But he did crash into the Titanic and damage it and his submersible. Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #217

Thank you for your well thought out post, Mr Scorpio. debm55 Jun 2023 #40

I'm sure the departed had secret Swiss bank account numbers to give to St Peter. Beakybird Jun 2023 #42

Lordy, not everything has to be framed in terms of black and white Goodheart Jun 2023 #43

The man is just giving us his thought's and perspective as a non billionaire black person. Ligyron Jun 2023 #77

It's definitely a pampered rich people problem, but 40% of the people onboard weren't white Bucky Jun 2023 #107

Race inthewind21 Jun 2023 #161

This! All. Day. Long. Forever! !!! Higherarky Jun 2023 #170

Interesting. Yes, race is a social construct. But... Bucky Jun 2023 #192

Agree 💯% evemac Jun 2023 #45

This is an amazingly good post! Scottie Mom Jun 2023 #48

Is it white male or just male. 3Hotdogs Jun 2023 #49

Yusaku Maezawa says 'Hold my beer' Red Mountain Jun 2023 #50

+1 betsuni Jun 2023 #64

Can I just point out what a stupid insignia this company has? Bucky Jun 2023 #193

Thank You... Thank You My Brother djacq Jun 2023 #51

I spoke to my dad and he too was angry at the "selfishness" ecstatic Jun 2023 #54

It is a tragedy, with some strange details. love_katz Jun 2023 #57

I have been fascinated by Titanic all my life Maeve Jun 2023 #59

Maybe this obsession with the Titanic is an issue in itself. LisaM Jun 2023 #66

It's the hubris I find so fascinating Maeve Jun 2023 #72

Your words feel racist DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2023 #61

Not racist - RevBrotherThomas Jun 2023 #141

How so? ismnotwasm Jun 2023 #185

You are right to question this point DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2023 #205

Not racist. I think it's clear the OP meant it's a cultural phenomenon, But... Bucky Jun 2023 #197

Maybe not racist Zeitghost Jun 2023 #204

It is hard to talk about things truthfully without being accused of being racist DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2023 #206

This message was self-deleted by its author Bucky Jun 2023 #213

Nicely stated and true to the point. Thanks Firestorm49 Jun 2023 #62

Speaking for yourself . . . OneBro Jun 2023 #63

You are defining these people according to some nasty stereotypes. milestogo Jun 2023 #68

+1 Takket Jun 2023 #88

It seems the "company" thought the sub could do it! DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2023 #92

Well, he was not objective. milestogo Jun 2023 #93

That was a very enlightening foray Higherarky Jun 2023 #178

An unfortunate exercise in 'eisocentric' logic grantcart Jun 2023 #69

"We live in a sea of stupidity." Haggard Celine Jun 2023 #91

When you explain it like this, of course, employ the phrase "eisocentric" Bucky Jun 2023 #199

POST 200: Your comment is the best post in this thread Bucky Jun 2023 #200

Excellent post. BlackSkimmer Jun 2023 #220

Well said. I've had similar thoughts. byronius Jun 2023 #75

Similar DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2023 #86

I believe your words, as extremely well written as they are, Sogo Jun 2023 #78

+1 betsuni Jun 2023 #84

Here's my take; karma's a bitch Tarc Jun 2023 #81

This ain't karma Bucky Jun 2023 #201

That is...exactly what I said Tarc Jun 2023 #208

I agree... Pototan Jun 2023 #83

I see the problem with it -- It's called stupidity vlyons Jun 2023 #85

It's one thing to go down to do science... Kablooie Jun 2023 #87

k&r Tom Yossarian Joad Jun 2023 #89

Thank you.. well said. mountain grammy Jun 2023 #90

The sub was controlled by a video game controller. The Jungle 1 Jun 2023 #94

Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2023 #95

My reaction- and my perspective - were very similar. I have no pity or sympathy for wealthy people Martin68 Jun 2023 #98

I am surprised at the depth of anger here concerning this tragic event. Jack-o-Lantern Jun 2023 #99

Some may feel that the victims brought it on themselves. mwb970 Jun 2023 #138

Everything is warped to feed grievance by those taken over by it. Hortensis Jun 2023 #218

Thank you. May they all rest in peace. That said, most media promote views of whose deaths are more ancianita Jun 2023 #101

Safety be damned? Never go there! czarjak Jun 2023 #103

We think alike. Bluethroughu Jun 2023 #106

Stupid overconfidence comes in every color of humanity. This is NOT a 'white people' thing Bucky Jun 2023 #109

Agree NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #127

This was not a good analogy. NotVeryImportant Jun 2023 #163

Yes, indeed Wild blueberry Jun 2023 #110

Wow! I'm still trying to wrap my head around what you said. CaptainTruth Jun 2023 #113

Truth is, I really don't give a rat's ass about some assholes going... TreasonousBastard Jun 2023 #115

In the original Titanic disaster orangecrush Jun 2023 #119

Not really . . . . hatrack Jun 2023 #137

Thanks orangecrush Jun 2023 #150

With climate change kaotikross Jun 2023 #121

FASCINATING thread. I don't agree with you on all points, Mr. Scorpio Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #128

What I find the most striking... Hugin Jun 2023 #142

That's a point. Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #149

Let's not forget NJCher Jun 2023 #129

Reminded me of this. retread Jun 2023 #130

Beautifully put. 100% agree Goddessartist Jun 2023 #131

Brilliant bit of writing, Mr. Scorpio. It belongs in a national publication! Vinca Jun 2023 #132

"Get the rich white priviliged few under control". lark Jun 2023 #134

Seeing the Titanic would fill me with awe. So would the view from atop Mt. Everest. BUT....... Siwsan Jun 2023 #135

Excellent post. I think there should be an Obscenely Wealthy Tax on everyone making more than LaMouffette Jun 2023 #139

I always enjoy your writing. you have laid out exactly what's been ruminating in my brain. Javaman Jun 2023 #144

Spot on IbogaProject Jun 2023 #146

People die trying to get selfies JI7 Jun 2023 #147

Absolutely! kooth Jun 2023 #148

A great OP malaise Jun 2023 #151

Two thumbs way up. PelicanScot_V3 Jun 2023 #154

Amen DonCoquixote Jun 2023 #158

Let's not forget about all the unburied corpses littering the mountain as well... Mr. Scorpio Jun 2023 #176

I hate to break it to you Zeitghost Jun 2023 #184

Actually Snackshack Jun 2023 #159

Great piece. Thanks. SpankMe Jun 2023 #160

Two of the passengers were Pakistani. Or does being "rich" shift them into the White category? question everything Jun 2023 #164

I appreciated this very much. Thank you. shrike3 Jun 2023 #169

another perspective maliaSmith Jun 2023 #172

+1 DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2023 #215

One of the best discussions we've had here in a long time. Excellent OP! littlemissmartypants Jun 2023 #181

judge not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character Dorn Jun 2023 #186

I think the racial characterization of what drove these people Red Mountain Jun 2023 #187

It's also a cautionary tale to all rich men Warpy Jun 2023 #190

No!! Don't tell rich people not to do this Bucky Jun 2023 #202

You just want it to be in your home country so that many of your family & friends will all be there DontBelieveEastisEas Jun 2023 #214