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ChairmanAgnostic

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8. Overboard with them! Every Man for HimSelf!

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:09 PM

Jan 2012

My Bible Tells me . . . . er . . . oh, oops, there I go again, channeling my inner Tea Bagger.

For all the bible beating and claims of being god fearin' christianists, they sure seem to miss all the big lessons. If I read my two part fairy tale correctly, (and I have gone through it cover to cover several times) then that water walking dude told the faithful flock NOT to keep religion on their sleeves and to forget about preying in public. I guess that the real JC, if he even existed, was anti-Tebow.

As for your real question, historically, childbirth was truly a life and death matter. More kids died than survived, and the childbirth was often fatal to the mom. If a tribe wanted to survive, having breeders and the young spawn of their tribe survive was critical to the tribe's future.

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What do you think of the notion of "women and children first" during a disaster? [View all] AngryAmish Jan 2012 OP

It would be women and children first with me. onehandle Jan 2012 #1

agreed roguevalley Jan 2012 #38

First come, first served basis would be fair. HappyMe Jan 2012 #2

Isn't the point of women and children first to avoid that RZM Jan 2012 #30

I'm going on the assumption that there is 1 spot available HappyMe Jan 2012 #50

I have read accounts of that happening RZM Jan 2012 #52

I saw a couple of captains being interviewed earlier today. HappyMe Jan 2012 #61

He's going to get even more for manslaughter, but anyone who is a captain of any size cbayer Jan 2012 #107

Children would come in last so from their point of view - not fair. kiranon Jan 2012 #96

It makes sense to me... arcane1 Jan 2012 #3

I'm a devout follower of George Costanza on this subject: ret5hd Jan 2012 #4

My only child and and grandchild are female so I'm in favor. Swamp Lover Jan 2012 #5

Just as long as the captain isn't first Generic Other Jan 2012 #6

best reply so far Dokkie Jan 2012 #46

I can see why that whole notion would be taken as quaint and totally out of step... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #7

Overboard with them! Every Man for HimSelf! ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2012 #8

It certainly shouldn't be Captain and crew first. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #9

In case the obvious needs to be stated. Scuba Jan 2012 #21

There's been several in the last few years where that happened. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #27

And then I think of the staff of that famous Mumbai hotel that stayed after terrorist attack & fire. hlthe2b Jan 2012 #29

Children first certainly.... and for me it would depend on who the women were... Yooperman Jan 2012 #10

we have this is womens forum. my answer. copied and pasted seabeyond Jan 2012 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author HereSince1628 Jan 2012 #12

Elderly supposed to go out and forage...? hlthe2b Jan 2012 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author HereSince1628 Jan 2012 #33

Oh, I understand the "science" behind the thought, but sort of doubt the practicality... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #41

The elderly get thrown under the bus in nuclear plans. Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #34

The draft is sexist and should be banned. Zalatix Jan 2012 #112

the draft *is* banned, but could be resurrected by Congress Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #142

Get rid of selective service Zalatix Jan 2012 #146

Think of the opposite extreme: murielm99 Jan 2012 #13

in an emergency evacuation ANY systemic approach is better than chaos.... mike_c Jan 2012 #14

You make a good point that a system avoids chaos. Having women and kids snagglepuss Jan 2012 #130

It's just common sense. The men are usually stronger and need to help with survival efforts librechik Jan 2012 #15

fuck that quinnox Jan 2012 #17

Elderly, those with physical limitations and children should be first. However, ... demmiblue Jan 2012 #18

As I get older.... jberryhill Jan 2012 #48

As a Middle-Aged RobinA Jan 2012 #82

You nailed it. Children first then the stronger help the weaker regardless of gender or age. pampango Jan 2012 #115

I was going to say children, their mothers, handicapped people, and the elderly should go first XemaSab Jan 2012 #58

Why not children and their fathers? n/t Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #62

Shhh. You'll get a lecture about privilege. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #64

Well done Charlemagne Jan 2012 #90

You have no idea what you are talking about. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #134

Yay! common ground!... cuz I have no idea what you're talking about either. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #137

I posted the same question... woolldog Jan 2012 #85

Men are expendable, remember this is an equal society Zalatix Jan 2012 #113

Um, why can't it be children and their fathers? woolldog Jan 2012 #83

male disposability. Charlemagne Jan 2012 #98

actually iverglas Jan 2012 #105

I was just trying Charlemagne Jan 2012 #108

I'm especially clear and concise iverglas Jan 2012 #111

"If 1 man and 5 women survive a disaster, the group can produce 5 children in a year." Zalatix Jan 2012 #114

I've come to the conclusion that our space colonies will be founded by lesbians. krispos42 Jan 2012 #135

I say those that need the most assistance go first. rhett o rick Jan 2012 #19

I think the idea came from "Olden" days when the women where the mothers of the children Justice wanted Jan 2012 #20

Women and children first. If I saw someone pushing.. Bonhomme Richard Jan 2012 #22

A kid shouldn't be on the boat anyway. trackfan Jan 2012 #23

Good point... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #43

lol! HappyMe Jan 2012 #75

The least able should be evacuated first, by the most able lapislzi Jan 2012 #24

No reason but ... intaglio Jan 2012 #25

"Other people first" is I think probably the important thing. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #26

Gender bias in action, or at least in policy - this is an inequality the feminists won't target. Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #28

I just told my co-worker that I'd like to THINK that I'd justiceischeap Jan 2012 #36

I'd certainly want my wife and kids saved at my expense LanternWaste Jan 2012 #47

well here comes a feminist iverglas Jan 2012 #110

Opinions vary... Scuba Jan 2012 #31

lol very good quinnox Jan 2012 #40

DUzy MissB Jan 2012 #42

well said Scuba IcyPeas Jan 2012 #51

+1 Charlemagne Jan 2012 #91

LOL! n/t drmeow Jan 2012 #103

Children and the physically disabled should be helped first varelse Jan 2012 #32

It's very primal - as appropriate to an emergency jberryhill Jan 2012 #35

Women, children, elderly, and disabled. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #37

Equal? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #56

I look at it as a form of affirmative action. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #57

Affirmative action involves correcting injustices of the past. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #60

So you think that percentage is too high? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #76

For identical jobs? Yes. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #84

Why should they be different at all? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #86

I heard differently, that families did not want to be separated treestar Jan 2012 #39

I agree. It is a sexist anachronism & wishful thinking anyway. Panic overrides all. stevenleser Jan 2012 #44

children, with a parent/guardian first... Scout Jan 2012 #45

You must have missed post #58 lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #69

you must have missed #105 and #110 n/t Scout Jan 2012 #141

I think he can be forgiven for lacking the ability to read future posts, yes? Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #143

Children with one of their parents (mom or dad), then disabled, then elderly, then the rest. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #49

What if the Captain is a woman? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #53

Not disaster, but my experience riding the NYC subways HockeyMom Jan 2012 #54

Demographics of Titanic disaster interesting in this regard. Men 20% got off the ship Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #55

I wonder what the demographics of the people on board was - hedgehog Jan 2012 #70

John Jacob Astor IV AngryAmish Jan 2012 #74

It doesn't make much sense to me. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #59

Looks like everyone would die waiting for you to suss out priorities. nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #65

They can talk about it while I am on the boat with my family. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #71

Undoubtedly, trampling some geezer with a cane to ensure that. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #77

I bring a cane-using geezer everywhere I go just for trampling purposes. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #80

Disaster brings out character. undeterred Jan 2012 #63

The seed and the future go first, us manly men will wait to cower Rex Jan 2012 #66

I was actually thinking of this the other day. mrs_p Jan 2012 #67

Personally RockaFowler Jan 2012 #68

Rethuglicans would say "Privileged class first!" lpbk2713 Jan 2012 #72

OMG Charlemagne Jan 2012 #92

What a dumbassed idea dballance Jan 2012 #73

You forgot your Sarcasm smiley there. MineralMan Jan 2012 #93

I think most people would instinctively protect the young and those who could Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #78

Children first. then women and less-abled men, then older men, LeftinOH Jan 2012 #79

As a 44 year old male, I'm OK with the concept. Throd Jan 2012 #81

During the time when sea travel Charlemagne Jan 2012 #87

Wasn't always that way. Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #99

True Charlemagne Jan 2012 #101

It should be children and disabled + guardians first, old folks next, able bodied last. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #88

there were also reports that 'women and children first' broke up families. Fathers separated Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #89

I'm an old fart. MineralMan Jan 2012 #94

uh huh. ret5hd Jan 2012 #121

Fuck that shit, I'm getting saved ASAP! JVS Jan 2012 #95

I'm imagining a lifeboat full of men and children - lynne Jan 2012 #97

Sexist. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #120

I'm hoping that is just a sarcastic post muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #122

Children & primary caregivers first. qb Jan 2012 #100

Aren't most children with their mothers? ecstatic Jan 2012 #102

Are women equal to men or aren't they? I know the answer, but it isn't 'politically correct'. Edweird Jan 2012 #104

'Equal?' elleng Jan 2012 #117

What's the answer?? nt Liquorice Jan 2012 #133

Captain and crew first; everyone else can fend for themselves pokerfan Jan 2012 #106

Children and one parent (or guardian) first obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #109

It still works. elleng Jan 2012 #116

how about everyone who needs assistance: kids, elderly, disabled-- AND Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #118

To quote Heinlein on the subject... Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #119

He seems to be talking about some bizarre, large-scale, catastrophic event. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #132

A great deal can be rationalized on the basis of men's responsiblity to protect the women. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #144

Doesn't seem like even a question... JSnuffy Jan 2012 #123

most men barbtries Jan 2012 #124

It would be children first with me. IrishEyes Jan 2012 #125

Children first, and then women - no brainer - women are the smarter sex. chrisa Jan 2012 #126

Survival of the species; greiner3 Jan 2012 #127

But in the modern world, there is no such concern treestar Jan 2012 #129

As soon as a disaster strikes a committee should be formed to judge the relative worth of each... yawnmaster Jan 2012 #128

I believe the policy is now "families with children first" krispos42 Jan 2012 #131

This ship was 3 hours out, right? Blacksheep214 Jan 2012 #136

Hey, as long as Dick Cheney is last, I'm good. Marie Marie Jan 2012 #138

This really isn't a question, is it? I mean really? Men are Liquorice Jan 2012 #139

Assuming that there are enough lifeboats, Dan Jan 2012 #140

I think all the big strong guys who can DevonRex Jan 2012 #145