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Celerity

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40. RT had no editorial control over his show. I've seen revisionism trying to falsely claim this for
Fri Jun 23, 2023, 11:14 AM
Jun 2023

some time now.

you said

I see RT's direct editorial influence in every single RT show he did.

Bollocks.

Your own video betrays that posisting. Hartmann rips the then FL governor, now US Senate thug, Rick Scott for climate change denialism, and correctly says he is backed the the RW Koch brothers disinfo funding machine. He also pounds Mitch McConnell and destroys the two RW shills, Scott Pruitt from Red State, and Gianno Caldwell from the right wing Project 21.

Also, the crawl on the bottom of the screen was just bog standard news. There was nothing nefarious, unless, in the only case (out of all the stories) of bad news about the US ($500m worth of weapons sent to Yemen were lost), you are also saying that the western major MSM was doing the same anti US agitprop thing.

for example:






Hartmann did not work for RT. He exchanged his show and labour for access to hundreds of millions of global homes, plus carriage and the studio/production. His show was syndicated and he earned money from his sponsors. He was not paid a salary by RT, as I have seen some others falsely claim (no, he was not paid a salary by Putin, another falsehood that a certain 'rightward-moved CNN of Licht/Zaslav/Malone'-loving person in particular had been trying to say/revive here for months, before that 'rainfront' left the DU environs) and again, most importantly, he had complete editorial control over his show.

If Hartmann was this crypto Putinite malevolent force for disingo and agitprop, as some try to keep inferring/implying, then why has this board's owners allowed him to remain a member in good standing f DU for years?





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Hartmann

Hartmann hosted a one-hour daily TV show at 7 pm. ET Monday to Friday, The Big Picture with Thom Hartmann, which was editorially directed by his wife and was broadcast from the Washington, D.C., studios of the RT America news network. The show featured many conservative guests who routinely sparred with Hartmann. Hartmann co-produced the program with RT, who provided studio and carriage, while Hartmann retained full editorial control of his programming. The RT network aired the program via Dish Network, DirecTV, and on selected local-origination and public-access television cable TV channels globally. After hosting the program for seven years, Hartmann announced his departure as host on September 29, 2017.


more background

Broadcasting from the Belly of the Beast

https://prospect.org/culture/broadcasting-belly-beast/

FEBRUARY 16, 2012

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But despite that success, chances are that most of the influential people in his new hometown have barely heard of Hartmann. That's partly because his take on politics is less about the inside game and more about citizen empowerment. It's also because in the corridors of power, it's television that confers prestige, even if the audiences are relatively small, as they are for most cable shows. So when Hartmann had the chance in late 2010 to get his own TV show-even if it required an unusual arrangement with an upstart, foreign-owned network-he packed up his life in the gentler environs of Portland, Oregon, and moved to what he calls "the belly of the beast."

Hartmann starts each day at his radio studio, then hops across town to the television studios of RT, a network formerly known as Russia Today. The network began its U.S. operations by airing Russian programs for the immigrant community but has recently tried to turn itself into something like a version of Al Jazeera English, a true international news organization with lots of U.S.-centered content that just happens to be owned by the Russian government. Hartmann is a bit defensive about the fact that this is where his program airs, but he labors to make clear the particulars of his relationship with the network. He owns his program, and RT has no editorial say in its content. RT gets an hour of nightly programming from him, and Hartmann in turn gets his show on cable systems across the country. He also gets to use RT's Washington facilities to produce the show.

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Hartmann explains that when he was young, his father was an activist with the local Republican Party in Lansing, Michigan. "I went door to door with him in 1964-I was 13 years old-for Barry Goldwater." Hartman watched William F. Buckley on television with his father every week, and he thought Buckley's Firing Line "was the smartest show I had ever seen. It totally blew me away." His admiration for Buckley remains to this day, but by the time he was a teenager, "I had come to agree more with my grandfather, who was an old-fashioned 1930s socialist," and arguments in his house grew more intense. "The thing that I learned over the years was how to have those debates with my father and not get thrown out of the house, not have any blood on the floor." That experience carries over to his shows. "My goal in my conversations with conservatives is not to create a spectacle, and not to win the argument, not to prove that I'm the smartest guy in the room or that I'm the tough warrior and I can smack down people." The result is a rarity-discussions between people who disagree strongly but manage to avoid anger and shrillness. This may be why Hartmann has more good things to say about the Tea Party movement (its grassroots elements, at least) than most liberals. In fact, he sees the potential for a genuine alliance between the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street. The activist flavor of his show comes from both the guests and the host; he ends his program by telling viewers, "Don't forget, democracy begins with you. Get out there, get active. Tag, you're it."

Since the demise of Air America in 2010 (Hartmann was the network's headliner in its dying days, replacing Al Franken when the latter began his Senate run), the liberal establishment has turned its attention away from talk radio. Someone like Hartmann, who spent the last decade fielding calls from citizens all over the country, brings an outsider sensibility that fits uneasily in Washington. He may reach more people every day than some of his peers like Rachel Maddow, but it's going to take a lot of work for Hartmann to crack that top tier of media stardom. You can't do it without television, and you probably can't do it unless your show is carried on one of the major cable networks. At this point, most of the powerful Democrats in Washington probably have no idea that the country's top progressive radio host is broadcasting just blocks from Capitol Hill. Hartmann insists that he loves the control he gets from owning his own programs, being able to talk about whatever he wants and to ignore the insider Washington culture that is often so disconnected from people's lives. But he won't deny that he's ambitious. "If MSNBC came calling," he says, "I wouldn't say no."

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How legit is Thom Hartmann? [View all] Patterson Jun 2023 OP
VERY elleng Jun 2023 #1
He's ok. Very thoughtful. emulatorloo Jun 2023 #2
He was anti-Hillary. I haven't forgiven him for that. And he also used to have his show pnwmom Jun 2023 #23
I am no longer watching him either for the same reasons. emulatorloo Jun 2023 #55
Extermely Sanity Claws Jun 2023 #3
You can judge for yourself. He is on many media outlets... SalviaBlue Jun 2023 #4
Maybe you'll get to ask him. nolabear Jun 2023 #5
Not really. He never replies. I think he has an intern who posts announcements for him though. emulatorloo Jun 2023 #56
He's legit. For a while progressives had nowhere to go after the demise of Air America Radio hlthe2b Jun 2023 #6
I see RT's direct editorial influence in every single RT show he did. Beastly Boy Jun 2023 #16
I didn't watch during this period and only give context to his decision. hlthe2b Jun 2023 #30
It is hard, if not impossible, for an American political pundit, let alone a left-leaning American Beastly Boy Jun 2023 #37
RT had no editorial control over his show. I've seen revisionism trying to falsely claim this for Celerity Jun 2023 #40
I see quite a bit of revisionism of my post in yours. Beastly Boy Jun 2023 #41
It should probably rankle everyone. TwilightZone Jun 2023 #22
I only explained why he went there. THis was way before the Ukraine invasion. His decision was his. hlthe2b Jun 2023 #29
Putin hasn't changed, nor has RT. The invasion of Ukraine didn't happen in a vacuum. TwilightZone Jun 2023 #34
I never trust a former KGB, but the truth is there was a time when most MSM laid out the red carpet hlthe2b Jun 2023 #35
There is plenty to be said about most MSM at that time, but Beastly Boy Jun 2023 #38
I was not at all responding to you which is why you failed to understand the context it appears. hlthe2b Jun 2023 #45
He is a member of DU, AFAIK Grasswire2 Jun 2023 #7
I found his books on ADHD back in the multigraincracker Jun 2023 #8
Very insightful on ADD. He's a wide-ranging author. Hekate Jun 2023 #18
He is one of my top 3 people gab13by13 Jun 2023 #9
Legitimate in what respect? Beastly Boy Jun 2023 #10
+1 betsuni Jun 2023 #12
I enjoyed him in Air America days Recycle_Guru Jun 2023 #11
A ton of online info, YouTubes, podcasts, etc. cbabe Jun 2023 #13
Superb. Brilliant. NewHendoLib Jun 2023 #14
I can't trust a guy who worked with RT for years. They were always shitty propaganda. thebigidea Jun 2023 #15
He lost me in the pre-Trump days MurrayDelph Jun 2023 #21
He is very good, I listen to him just about every day on Sirius XM nt doc03 Jun 2023 #17
Me, too. He has addressed the issue of his broadcasting on RT Deuxcents Jun 2023 #25
Mixed, but most of the opposition you will hear is about his time on Russia Today (RT)... JHB Jun 2023 #19
You're leaving out how he would attack Hillary from his RT platform. nt pnwmom Jun 2023 #24
I had forgotten about that. eShirl Jun 2023 #32
They gave him a big expensive set for his primetime show. That's why he was there. Earth-shine Jun 2023 #26
Uh no. boston bean Jun 2023 #20
He quoted me twice: PCIntern Jun 2023 #27
It depends what audience he's targeting. Sometimes the information is correct, sometimes not. betsuni Jun 2023 #28
He is the best! Emile Jun 2023 #31
not any more milestogo Jun 2023 #33
He is on Free Speech TV everyday. Tune in, you will like him. Emile Jun 2023 #36
Meh. Elessar Zappa Jun 2023 #39
I don't care for him...turned his show on a day or so ago...it is on FSTV. And it was 2016 Demsrule86 Jun 2023 #42
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2023 #43
Legit in the sense that he IS Thom Hartmann. MineralMan Jun 2023 #44
That was during the primary. He was a Bernie guy. After the nomination he was Liberal In Texas Jun 2023 #46
You are correct... after the primary, he supported Hillary just like Bernie did.. SalviaBlue Jun 2023 #48
He was a big Hillary supporter. Some people have short memories Emile Jun 2023 #49
I don't think it is a memory thing... Caliman73 Jun 2023 #51
And I'll add that implying that Hartmann helped get Trump elected is repoulsive. Liberal In Texas Jun 2023 #53
Your feelings mirror mine. Thank you. Oopsie Daisy Jun 2023 #47
Hartmann has been on the air for a long long time. Caliman73 Jun 2023 #50
Very. obnoxiousdrunk Jun 2023 #52
I feel the need to remind some people here that Thom Hartmann is a member of this community. Liberal In Texas Jun 2023 #54
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