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Sancho

(9,209 posts)
1. People Control, Not Gun Control
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 07:00 AM
Jun 2023

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Jun 2023 #1
IF you have to do all that - just get rid of them - keep it simple - no guns period Blues Heron Jun 2023 #6
"no guns period" is the most complicated, least simple way to go. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2023 #10
not compared to the blizzard of regulations, licenses, exceptions, IDs, backgrounds, etc Blues Heron Jun 2023 #14
Total ban more complicated in imposition and implementation. It's ridiculous. Please don't Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2023 #18
LOL! Blues Heron Jun 2023 #21
Just Say No sucked. I don't know how many times a girl would just say no 3Hotdogs Jun 2023 #32
Civilized people draw lines, set limits. shrike3 Jun 2023 #33
Of course. See my post #12 which applauds post #1. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2023 #42
Prohibition is a failed public policy. That just creates a black market. ZonkerHarris Jun 2023 #53
There is nothing about a license that prevents .... Sancho Jun 2023 #15
They just got rid of plastic straws- which are tubes like guns, in MD Blues Heron Jun 2023 #16
Automobiles, plastic and hamburger were not designed to kill something. shrike3 Jun 2023 #34
No one is saying to NOT get rid of guns...that is the false equivalency... Sancho Jun 2023 #38
The false equivalency I mentioned is one I hear all the time. shrike3 Jun 2023 #39
It is not a false equivalency to compare "getting rid of guns" to "getting rid of other things"... Sancho Jun 2023 #40
The gun itself was invented to kill someone. shrike3 Jun 2023 #41
The problem is, Diamond_Dog Jun 2023 #45
Read The Second Amendment: A Biography by Michael Waldman Sancho Jun 2023 #47
GUN CONTROL. Got rid of my firearms after I realized this nation could not handle owning weapons. marble falls Jun 2023 #8
They really can't. shrike3 Jun 2023 #35
+1 2naSalit Jun 2023 #11
It's time to put more "regulated" back into the "well-regulated militia" and you point the way. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2023 #12
none of that would have prevented this treestar Jun 2023 #36
She was probably abused as well n/t malaise Jun 2023 #2
The BeerBarrelPolka Jun 2023 #3
ooops. thx... correcting BlueWaveNeverEnd Jun 2023 #5
Maybe like the "Heavenly Creatures" movie of a similar event. betsuni Jun 2023 #4
I thought the same thing. intheflow Jun 2023 #25
Yes! Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #49
I wonder if midget dick tat boy is still smiling. And her t shirt.. 'up to no good.' Nice. CurtEastPoint Jun 2023 #7
It's a Harry Potter shirt. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2023 #9
Something severely fouled up in his parenting to drive her to shoot him. Abuse? Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2023 #13
My first thought after looking at her malaise Jun 2023 #17
Best guess is father got charged, but because of minor involved, names can't be released lest ID Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2023 #20
The friend she plotted with was charged Lars39 Jun 2023 #27
Thanks. Slipped my mind as a possibility. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2023 #43
The age of responsibility bucolic_frolic Jun 2023 #19
Groomed to kill. nt TeamProg Jun 2023 #22
What can I say? mwb970 Jun 2023 #23
The T-shirt she's wearing in the photo says, "I Solemnly Swear that I am up to No Good." A bit allegorical oracle Jun 2023 #24
That's from the Harry Potter books. BlackSkimmer Jun 2023 #29
Texas? Is that a foreign country? 617Blue Jun 2023 #26
Some want it too be. They want Texas to SECDEE! Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #50
LOL be my guest! 617Blue Jun 2023 #54
"Hole on a sec here, Mervis. Sumthin' rawng here. Cain't figger it out..." Aristus Jun 2023 #55
Absolutely NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #57
This is a confusing excerpt. intheflow Jun 2023 #28
This is old news, from last September. BlackSkimmer Jun 2023 #30
no problem. gun fascination amd gun violence should ne posted here Recycle_Guru Jun 2023 #31
Why we talk about it, 20 million new guns will be sold in the US this year. Chainfire Jun 2023 #37
The down side to teaching your kids to gun... Wounded Bear Jun 2023 #44
I wrote about poem about this purr-rat beauty Jun 2023 #46
Something is "not right" about this story. Grey Jun 2023 #48
I'm sure there's a whole lot more pfitz59 Jun 2023 #51
An armed society is a polite society. Pew pew pew Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2023 #52
What a sad, sad case. SYFROYH Jun 2023 #56
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