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In reply to the discussion: did this latest SC decision kill the movement to make the Electoral College obsolete? [View all]Celerity
(55,108 posts)45. To Fix Congress, Make It Bigger. Much Bigger.
Radically expanding the House of Representatives would help solve some of the biggest problems facing Congress and, by extension, the country.
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/10/28/to-fix-congress-make-it-bigger-much-bigger/
The First Amendment wasnt supposed to be the first amendment. Its mostly forgotten today, but Congress originally sent twelve of James Madisons proposed constitutional amendments to the states for ratification; the ten that were ratified are what we now call the Bill of Rights. If all twelve had gotten through, the U.S. House of Representatives today might be at about 6,000 members, instead of 435. Thats because Madisons original first amendment specified a precise formula for representation. Initially, each House member would represent 30,000 people. For the first Congress, this meant just sixty-five members. Then, when the House got to 100 members, the ratio would go to 40,000 to one. When it got to 200 members, the ratio would go to 50,000 to one. That was as far as it got.
It is a sound and important principle that the representative ought to be acquainted with the interests and circumstances of his constituents, Madison wrote in Federalist 56. As the new nations population grew, then, the Peoples House should stay close to the people. But Madisons forward-looking amendment was always at least one state short of the three-quarters needed for ratification. Still, for the next 120 years, Congress generally acted in accordance with the spirit of the lost first amendment. While the number of senators remained constitutionally fixed at two per state, Congress passed decennial legislation to increase the size of the House following each census. By 1832, it had grown to 240 members. After some stasis in the mid-nineteenth century (Congress was preoccupied with other things then), the House grew consistently in the postCivil War era, rising to 433 after the 1910 census.
The 1912 admission to the union of Arizona and New Mexico, which as states were constitutionally entitled to at least one representative, brought the number to 435, with one representative for every 211,000 constituents. But even as Congress passed the Apportionment Act of 1911, rumblings about a too-big House were growing. And so was the nation: between the 1910 and 1920 censuses, the population swelled by 15 percent, from 92 million to 106 million. Much of that growth came in the form of immigration to cities like New York and Chicago. To keep the ratio at 211,000 to one would have meant adding another seventy representatives. The House couldnt agree on a plan, with representatives from less populous, rural states fearing a dilution of their power. So, for the first time following a census, it didnt reapportion at all.
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Look across the globe, and youll see that the United States is an outlier. In the United Kingdom (population 66 million), the House of Commons has 650 members, one for every 101,000 Brits. Germanys Bundestag has 709 members, one for every 116,000 Germans. Only India (population 1.3 billion) has more constituents per representative in its lower house, the Lok Sabha. But in India, individual state governments have more autonomy than in the U.S., making the national legislature less important.
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I think 250,000 people per House Rep is a good ratio.
The House grew consistently in the postCivil War era, rising to 433 after the 1910 census. (around 213,000 to one House rep before AZ and NM joined as States to kick it to 435)
It was not increased after the 1920 Census
It was capped by Congressional Act in 1929 (when it was roughly 282,000 to 1)
213,000 + 282,000 is 495,000, so the average for that 20 years is almost 250,000 per House rep.
The US population at the time of the 2020 Census was 331,449,281.
That yields 1,326 US House reps, but you have to add ONE, so it's an odd number (so no ties).
1,327 member of the US House
(until the 2030 Census is finished and we will increase that a bit to keep the 250,000 to 1 ratio)
The US population is likely not going to keep increasing at the current rate over the next 50 to 100 years. It could be only around 236,000,000 by 2100, after an increase and then decrease, so we will not be setting upon a course where the House will someday hit 2,000 in size (the US would have to have 500 million people to do that).
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/10/28/to-fix-congress-make-it-bigger-much-bigger/
The First Amendment wasnt supposed to be the first amendment. Its mostly forgotten today, but Congress originally sent twelve of James Madisons proposed constitutional amendments to the states for ratification; the ten that were ratified are what we now call the Bill of Rights. If all twelve had gotten through, the U.S. House of Representatives today might be at about 6,000 members, instead of 435. Thats because Madisons original first amendment specified a precise formula for representation. Initially, each House member would represent 30,000 people. For the first Congress, this meant just sixty-five members. Then, when the House got to 100 members, the ratio would go to 40,000 to one. When it got to 200 members, the ratio would go to 50,000 to one. That was as far as it got.
It is a sound and important principle that the representative ought to be acquainted with the interests and circumstances of his constituents, Madison wrote in Federalist 56. As the new nations population grew, then, the Peoples House should stay close to the people. But Madisons forward-looking amendment was always at least one state short of the three-quarters needed for ratification. Still, for the next 120 years, Congress generally acted in accordance with the spirit of the lost first amendment. While the number of senators remained constitutionally fixed at two per state, Congress passed decennial legislation to increase the size of the House following each census. By 1832, it had grown to 240 members. After some stasis in the mid-nineteenth century (Congress was preoccupied with other things then), the House grew consistently in the postCivil War era, rising to 433 after the 1910 census.
The 1912 admission to the union of Arizona and New Mexico, which as states were constitutionally entitled to at least one representative, brought the number to 435, with one representative for every 211,000 constituents. But even as Congress passed the Apportionment Act of 1911, rumblings about a too-big House were growing. And so was the nation: between the 1910 and 1920 censuses, the population swelled by 15 percent, from 92 million to 106 million. Much of that growth came in the form of immigration to cities like New York and Chicago. To keep the ratio at 211,000 to one would have meant adding another seventy representatives. The House couldnt agree on a plan, with representatives from less populous, rural states fearing a dilution of their power. So, for the first time following a census, it didnt reapportion at all.
snip
Look across the globe, and youll see that the United States is an outlier. In the United Kingdom (population 66 million), the House of Commons has 650 members, one for every 101,000 Brits. Germanys Bundestag has 709 members, one for every 116,000 Germans. Only India (population 1.3 billion) has more constituents per representative in its lower house, the Lok Sabha. But in India, individual state governments have more autonomy than in the U.S., making the national legislature less important.
snip
I think 250,000 people per House Rep is a good ratio.
The House grew consistently in the postCivil War era, rising to 433 after the 1910 census. (around 213,000 to one House rep before AZ and NM joined as States to kick it to 435)
It was not increased after the 1920 Census
It was capped by Congressional Act in 1929 (when it was roughly 282,000 to 1)
213,000 + 282,000 is 495,000, so the average for that 20 years is almost 250,000 per House rep.
The US population at the time of the 2020 Census was 331,449,281.
That yields 1,326 US House reps, but you have to add ONE, so it's an odd number (so no ties).
1,327 member of the US House
(until the 2030 Census is finished and we will increase that a bit to keep the 250,000 to 1 ratio)
The US population is likely not going to keep increasing at the current rate over the next 50 to 100 years. It could be only around 236,000,000 by 2100, after an increase and then decrease, so we will not be setting upon a course where the House will someday hit 2,000 in size (the US would have to have 500 million people to do that).
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did this latest SC decision kill the movement to make the Electoral College obsolete? [View all]
ProfessorPlum
Jun 2023
OP
I don't think Greg Abott or the Texas legislature have any intention, though Texas would benefit
GregariousGroundhog
Jun 2023
#21
Just had a discussion with Jocelyn Benson (MI-SOS) and Steve Simon (MN-SOS) on this topic...
brooklynite
Jun 2023
#34
Probably but you must wait until a Democrat wins the presidency that way so Republicans can appeal
bucolic_frolic
Jun 2023
#2
No, those are state laws. This ruling says state legislatures can't ignore state laws willy-nilly
mathematic
Jun 2023
#3
Which means whatever at least five of nine SCOTUS justices SAYS it means.
House of Roberts
Jun 2023
#33
This is correct, as the NC Rethugs will now (after they went 5-2 RW on the NC SC and reversed the
Celerity
Jun 2023
#42
A state could hardly pass laws for example that only Democrats could be awarded EC votes
MichMan
Jun 2023
#31
So a state could quit having a public vote at all, but courts won't let them require photo ID?
MichMan
Jun 2023
#35