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Hugin

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37. My point is that yes free speech is fine...

Mon Jul 3, 2023, 12:55 PM

Jul 2023

But, it comes with consequences.

Is this “plaintiff” asking for the court to relieve her from the consequences of her free speech?

Loss of business? A negative reputation? Not getting invited to parties? That’s beyond the reach of even a severely pompous SCOTUS to grant.

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