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NNadir

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14. Hydrogen is not clean energy. It is overwhelmingly made from fossil fuels at a significant...

Wed Jul 5, 2023, 08:46 AM

Jul 2023

...thermodynamic loss.

This is the worst energy policy of a Democratic President since Jimmy Carter's coal to gasoline syn fuels program.

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Biden's hydrogen bombshell leaves Europe in the dust [View all] RandySF Jul 2023 OP

You don't see many "My Governor is an Idiot" signs anymore...wonder why... MiHale Jul 2023 #1

One local person took his "My Governor is an Idiot" sign down Kaleva Jul 2023 #3

Haven't seen one of those signs in a year or so. multigraincracker Jul 2023 #11

On one of the last holdouts sign... MiHale Jul 2023 #42

It was a few weeks ago when I noticed he took his down. Kaleva Jul 2023 #53

👍👍 MiHale Jul 2023 #45

She's bringing manufacturing back to this state at a pace that is truly incredible Johnny2X2X Jul 2023 #10

A quick way to cripple our economy in favor of China's would be... Tom Rinaldo Jul 2023 #12

And like it or not Johnny2X2X Jul 2023 #20

Republicans will fight anything that would be good for Americans... Beartracks Jul 2023 #18

👍 MiHale Jul 2023 #48

Whatever, it's logical to manufacture pollution eliminating technology........ jaxexpat Jul 2023 #2

I rarely use Facebook these days, but I just posted this article. Lonestarblue Jul 2023 #4

That's a good idea PatSeg Jul 2023 #7

My sense is we'll solve the energy problem bucolic_frolic Jul 2023 #5

Hydrogen, the ultimate fuel DFW Jul 2023 #6

It is a huge thermodynamic loser, a filthy fuel. NNadir Jul 2023 #16

Yes.. Think. Again. Jul 2023 #23

What they may be going for... jmowreader Jul 2023 #108

Alternatively, they can let that wilderness destroying junk rot, as it does rather quickly... NNadir Jul 2023 #113

I'd prefer that... jmowreader Jul 2023 #121

There are a few... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #21

A minor nit: The Hindenburg was painted with rocket fuel. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2023 #68

I recently watched a very good documentary... Hugin Jul 2023 #75

Yep. Writing orthoclad Jul 2023 #115

Hindenburg... orthoclad Jul 2023 #114

please tell me they are not planning on using Michigan's Great Lakes water for this. James48 Jul 2023 #8

All the water in the Gtest Lakes multigraincracker Jul 2023 #13

+10000 roamer65 Jul 2023 #29

How much flows into the Atlantic and how much evaporates? Kaleva Jul 2023 #56

My read on the article was that it was about manufacturing the equipment caraher Jul 2023 #69

They're building the equipment there, not orthoclad Jul 2023 #116

I have long advocated for a hydrogen economy. n/t Hugin Jul 2023 #9

Hydrogen is not clean energy. It is overwhelmingly made from fossil fuels at a significant... NNadir Jul 2023 #14

Hydrogen does NOT have to be made using fossil fuels.... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #17

Soothsaying does not substitute from reality. Hydrogen IS a dirty fuel. NNadir Jul 2023 #28

Yes... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #35

"Hydrogen is a dirty fuel"??? Trust_Reality Jul 2023 #71

They do their own research BannonsLiver Jul 2023 #73

Which part of this picture is mysterious? NNadir Jul 2023 #79

Hydrogen is only as dirty as the energy source used to make it. Think. Again. Jul 2023 #81

Yes, and it's made from dirty fossil fuels. NNadir Jul 2023 #125

No, not always... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #130

An honest person would not substitute reference to trivial... NNadir Jul 2023 #140

An honest person... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #141

Because I rely on numbers, references and data I have looked them up and have them. NNadir Jul 2023 #142

please be sure to include... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #143

Oh sure. I'll be happy to discuss how morons sabotaged... NNadir Jul 2023 #144

I agree... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #145

Many morons in my experience have no idea of what CO2 free energy is. NNadir Jul 2023 #146

Or... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #147

Post removed Post removed Jul 2023 #104

So, it should go to new nuclear plants? Kid Berwyn Jul 2023 #19

That's pretty 1950s thinking right there..... getagrip_already Jul 2023 #24

So, where do you store the spent fuel? Kid Berwyn Jul 2023 #27

Fukushima is old tech..... it's 3 mile island tech... getagrip_already Jul 2023 #55

+10 nt reACTIONary Jul 2023 #89

Here is one direction nuclear power is going... getagrip_already Jul 2023 #57

Storage of spent fuel is a.... reACTIONary Jul 2023 #91

So how Is nuclear waste safely stored? Particularly Uranium 235 & 238 electric_blue68 Jul 2023 #122

Here is a pretty detailed explination, along with... reACTIONary Jul 2023 #148

This..what Kid Berwyn said.. Tikki Jul 2023 #25

It would be wasteful to use clean nuclear plants to make hydrogen using... NNadir Jul 2023 #30

Only 10,000 plants needed? Kid Berwyn Jul 2023 #31

Fear and ignorance are powerful and frankly deadly realities. NNadir Jul 2023 #34

We really don't have much data from independent investigators, do we? Kid Berwyn Jul 2023 #44

There is no question... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #36

Hydrogen is not very portable or storable due to... reACTIONary Jul 2023 #93

That is false. Think. Again. Jul 2023 #95

Hydrogen storage and distribution is, and always has been... reACTIONary Jul 2023 #98

Here's a more recent article... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #100

Its definetly a problem that needs solving, and I'm glad that... reACTIONary Jul 2023 #103

+10 nt reACTIONary Jul 2023 #90

What's the cost of climate change? We squandered over three trillion... NNadir Jul 2023 #43

Climate Change is increasing... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #58

The question was what is the cost of climate change? NNadir Jul 2023 #77

The cost of climate change is incalculable. Think. Again. Jul 2023 #82

I was asking the antinuke who said 10,000 reactors at 10 billion dollars each was "too expensive." NNadir Jul 2023 #86

You constantly use the cost of non-CO2 energy as a reason not to continue bulding it. Think. Again. Jul 2023 #88

There is one, and only one, form of CO2 minimized energy. NNadir Jul 2023 #92

That is patently false... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #94

People lie, numbers don't. NNadir Jul 2023 #124

Imagine being this pressed over hydrogen. BannonsLiver Jul 2023 #106

You are, as usual, 100 per cent correct in this thread. Science matters, not some ill-informed Celerity Jul 2023 #123

Thanks. n/t. NNadir Jul 2023 #126

Nnadir is 100% INCORRECT... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #132

Renewables aren't yet fully viable, especially in terms of EROI. NNadir's a scientist who has posted Celerity Jul 2023 #135

Respect is earned... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #136

well, you two should have an extended colloquy, and see who has the more persuasive evidence Celerity Jul 2023 #137

No need... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #138

Indeed.. I have zero respect for "I'm not an antinuke" antinukes. NNadir Jul 2023 #139

The article you refer to... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #134

100 trillion in wind or solar with todays technology and at scale. DontBelieveEastisEas Jul 2023 #127

No, it doesn't "seem" so. NNadir Jul 2023 #128

Thanks for the acknowledgement and feedback /nt DontBelieveEastisEas Jul 2023 #129

No, Solar and wind are NOT dependent on fossil fuels... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #133

That's a little misleading. Happy Hoosier Jul 2023 #22

Is this a simple matter, replacing all the production of electricity... NNadir Jul 2023 #32

No... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #38

I notice you don';t propose a solution. Happy Hoosier Jul 2023 #39

My extensive journal on this website, referencing tens of thousands of... NNadir Jul 2023 #47

Point to one. Happy Hoosier Jul 2023 #50

How about you click on my name to open it. NNadir Jul 2023 #54

Yeah, I thought so... Happy Hoosier Jul 2023 #59

OK. I believe the handwaving types do not now and never have cared to do any work. NNadir Jul 2023 #60

You use gaslighting as a debate technique. Think. Again. Jul 2023 #63

This is similar to the charge registered by an earlier... NNadir Jul 2023 #67

OFFS. Happy Hoosier Jul 2023 #65

Oh geeze... Very, very, very, cute, one of the cutest evasions I've seen, and I've seen them all. NNadir Jul 2023 #80

You use gaslighting as a debate method. Think. Again. Jul 2023 #83

Antinukes use ignoring gas burning as an excuse for pretending their wind and solar junk is... NNadir Jul 2023 #84

I have a Masters in Engineering as well. Happy Hoosier Jul 2023 #97

He is indeed incredibly rude, dismissive and insulting. honest.abe Jul 2023 #105

I suggest... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #49

Yeah, that's great. That hasn't worked. What's next? Happy Hoosier Jul 2023 #51

I absolutely agree with you... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #61

Hear! Hear! Happy Hoosier Jul 2023 #62

One obvious and straight forward direction is .... reACTIONary Jul 2023 #96

For many applications, where using electric power directly isn't practical... Silent3 Jul 2023 #52

I still have hope for Hydrogen fuel cell cars. Happy Hoosier Jul 2023 #66

I don't. hunter Jul 2023 #101

So does China - in a BIG way Caribbeans Jul 2023 #102

I'll never understand... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #15

Because the only way they were going to get a good paycheck getagrip_already Jul 2023 #26

No... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #40

My point is... getagrip_already Jul 2023 #70

That's what I was trying to say... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #74

The real question is..... getagrip_already Jul 2023 #76

I think Manchin had/has his own financial interests. Trust_Reality Jul 2023 #72

We should have installed renewable manufaturing plants orthoclad Jul 2023 #117

Has anyone done a study on the impact of hydrogen tech on a mass scale? Fiendish Thingy Jul 2023 #33

When converted to electricity... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #41

+10, water in, water out. NT reACTIONary Jul 2023 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author orthoclad Jul 2023 #119

The byproduct of hydrogen is water and heat. Kaleva Jul 2023 #64

Industrial hydrogen use orthoclad Jul 2023 #118

Great news ... and great news to add hydrogen to the energy mix. Auggie Jul 2023 #37

At least the idiocy of windmill cancer clusters has ended. Torchlight Jul 2023 #46

This article is full of bullshit. What's good for Norway may not be so good for the rest of us. hunter Jul 2023 #78

You're correct.... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #85

Hope all goes well! on so many levels! TY Cha Jul 2023 #87

yeah I have to agree this is a bad idea for Michigan Takket Jul 2023 #107

Aside from the production of bombs in any size we like, fusion may never be a viable energy source. hunter Jul 2023 #112

As I've pointed out a few times on the EE forum, hydrogen is one hell of a greenhouse gas itself NickB79 Jul 2023 #109

So we can't figure out how to fix leaks given that it might mean the future survival of the planet?? honest.abe Jul 2023 #110

Maybe figure out how to fix the leaks BEFORE we invest trillions in an H2 economy? NickB79 Jul 2023 #111

Leak containment has come a long way... Think. Again. Jul 2023 #131

We should think of hydrogen as storage for energy orthoclad Jul 2023 #120