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getagrip_already

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70. My point is...

Wed Jul 5, 2023, 11:36 AM

Jul 2023

They never had that chance at building a strong renewable energy economy. It was crushed by the coal eco-political interests leaving only coal industry jobs.

So there only real time choices were coal or hope, and coal simply paid better better. When you are ignorant and poor, you will go with what your father had, rather than what could be.

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