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Lonestarblue

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33. I believe the SC has set some dangerous precedents with recent decisions--precedents that will
Wed Jul 5, 2023, 01:55 PM
Jul 2023

be fully exploited by right-wing religious and other organizations. I have always understood that actual harm is a requirement for the harmed party to file a civil lawsuit against the person or entity that caused the harm. It is the harm that grants standing to file the case.

From the US Courts website:

“To begin a civil lawsuit in federal court, the plaintiff files a complaint with the court and “serves” a copy of the complaint on the defendant. The complaint describes the plaintiff’s damages or injury, explains how the defendant caused the harm, shows that the court has jurisdiction, and asks the court to order relief. A plaintiff may seek money to compensate for the damages, or may ask the court to order the defendant to stop the conduct that is causing the harm. The court may also order other types of relief, such as a declaration of the legal rights of the plaintiff in a particular situation.” https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/types-cases/civil-cases

Neither the web designer nor the student loan case provided any evidence of actual harm. It was totally hypothetical. The case of the web designer seemed truly ridiculous, along the lines of “I’ve never designed a wedding website, but if I decided to go into that business and if I were asked to design a site for a same-sex wedding and if I said no because of my religious beliefs (bigotry), and if the same-sex couple complained to the state, and if the state of Colorado filed a suit against me for discrimination, and if I were found guilty, I might suffer harm for breaking state and federal laws.” A lot of ifs in that case based on absolutely no harm that is the basis of civil law.

The student loan case also supposed possible harm to a loan provider even though analyses showed no loss of profits with the federal government paying the loan. Again, no actual harm that is the basis for a lawsuit.

The precedent the Court has now set is that anyone can bring a civil lawsuit based on possible future harm not on actual harm. Another case that supports this precedent is the Texas abortion law. It set a couple of precedents—the right to bring suit against anyone aiding a woman in Texas to have an abortion, even if the person suing has no relationship with the woman and has suffered no harm. For example, if a vigilante is able to find out the name of a friend who drove the woman to a clinic in New Mexico, the person can sue to collect $10,000 upon proof of the events. The concept of standing has been turned on its ear. The SC refused to stay this law and once they overturned Roe refused to do anything about its vigilante aspect and the precedent of total strangers being able to sue for a civil settlement in an action to which they were not even a party!

These cases are not just about a special carve out to privilege the religious right. They are also setting precedent for future right-wing cases to be brought to the court to overturn as much of civil rights legislation as possible.

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Congress needed to strengthen abortion Medicare care and jimfields33 Jul 2023 #1
The inthewind21 Jul 2023 #2
biggest problem.... markie Jul 2023 #3
Congress is broken and has been most of American Johonny Jul 2023 #7
Congress was arguably the most powerful branch ITAL Jul 2023 #30
I think it was most powerful Johonny Jul 2023 #31
Depends on the President ITAL Jul 2023 #32
They like making MOMFUDSKI Jul 2023 #4
What bothers me most is that the states have taken away the right to medical abortions MiniMe Jul 2023 #5
Misogyny is the point. OMGWTF Jul 2023 #20
Misogyny is the point. OMGWTF Jul 2023 #21
Mental & physical health of the mother was taken into account, as well as rape & incest... Hekate Jul 2023 #29
Republicans always project Johonny Jul 2023 #6
Democracy died. lapfog_1 Jul 2023 #8
I think the death happened when Scalia died and rurallib Jul 2023 #10
if Hillary had won, McConnell's scheme would have not mattered. - n/t lapfog_1 Jul 2023 #11
true but with all the things the reich had going for it rurallib Jul 2023 #12
Ah, inthewind21 Jul 2023 #18
sure it was the voters, but they were persuaded by massive media campaign rurallib Jul 2023 #23
No inthewind21 Jul 2023 #25
McConnell was on the record MurrayDelph Jul 2023 #13
I recall reading an article where John McCain said something to that effect also In It to Win It Jul 2023 #19
Oh, but Hillary wasn't Ideologically PURE Fresh Water Falling Jul 2023 #24
Exactly inthewind21 Jul 2023 #28
Exactly inthewind21 Jul 2023 #15
RBG did... whatistheformat Jul 2023 #9
THIS! RAB910 Jul 2023 #16
I think she did MurrayDelph Jul 2023 #14
Fuck Precedent, fuck what the people want, OMGWTF Jul 2023 #17
Well inthewind21 Jul 2023 #22
As Reagan said bronxiteforever Jul 2023 #26
K&R Blue Owl Jul 2023 #27
I believe the SC has set some dangerous precedents with recent decisions--precedents that will Lonestarblue Jul 2023 #33
Nice inthewind21 Jul 2023 #36
How so? How can there be standing when there's no actual harm? Lonestarblue Jul 2023 #37
Declaratory judgement, It's done all the time inthewind21 Jul 2023 #40
That helps. Thank you! Lonestarblue Jul 2023 #43
What you have always understood Zeitghost Jul 2023 #44
So you think inthewind21 Jul 2023 #45
I think you may have replied to the wrong post Zeitghost Jul 2023 #46
Actually inthewind21 Jul 2023 #47
SCOTUS needs a complete overhaul on how judges are chosen and how long they serve. cstanleytech Jul 2023 #34
Maybe im missing something quakerboy Jul 2023 #39
So inthewind21 Jul 2023 #41
Scalia and RBG budkin Jul 2023 #35
I guess they must have lied. hadEnuf Jul 2023 #38
Clearly inthewind21 Jul 2023 #42
We don't. GoodRaisin Jul 2023 #48
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