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PatrickforB

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71. If we wanted to come together, we'd stop spending over half the budget ($858B this year)
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 12:09 PM
Jul 2023

on war, and begin putting some of that tax money (individual taxpayers like us pay in 84% of the government's tax revenue) on stuff that actually helps us.

I have benefitted from ACA as well, but ACA is still a vehicle for insurance profits. My point is not to cut down Obama OR Biden. Please understand this. My point IS that we'd be better off with Medicare for all Americans. We would.

Most people who get into healthcare do so because they want to cure/heal people. What they actually end up with is carefully timed appointments to maximize profits or retained earnings. For example, at Kaiser, which is my employer-provided DHMO, my deductible is $8 large for me and my wife. Recently, my wife asked to go in for a physical because she was tired all the time. They told her when she made the appointment not to talk about anything that was bothering her. These appointments are carefully timed to last 10 minutes with the actual physician after the nurse assistant takes vitals. Then there is blood lab work. No discussion and the physician does not even touch you.

Why? Because the physical is considered preventive medicine, and thus under our plan offered with no copay. BUT, if you have the temerity to actually DISCUSS your health with the physician, you will get charged.

Think about that for a minute. Many physicians and nurses left during COVID because they got tired of the lies Trump was telling and how right-wing-nut-type patients abused them. Many more are leaving because they have discovered our system is not a healthcare system, but a profit-from-illness system.

Please disabuse yourself of the idea I'm trying to CUT DOWN either O or Biden. I'm not. This discussion is about public policy. Specifically, how the profit motive is in DIRECT CONFLICT with our interests as patients. It is. We need to remove the profit motive from healthcare so the system works toward our best interests. Like K-12. Public schools. When the profit motive is introduced we get larger class sizes, less diversity and elitism delivered through vouchers. Like prisons, where the profit motive leads to malnutrition, poor healthcare, and brutality.

My point, True Blue, is just that. Part of the way we organize ourselves must necessarily be to level the tax system so billionaires and corporations pay their fair share of taxes so we can afford to publicly fund things that need to be publicly funded - like K-12, state college and university education, prisons, and yes, healthcare.

Policy discussion - NOT a cutting down of O or B.

As an aside, pretty much EVERYONE knows this is the correct policy position, and Bernie moved the Overton Window by discussing it during his two presidential campaigns. The problem is that the healthcare, big pharma and insurance lobbies bully Congress into taking even a public option off the table, and that is NOT to benefit us, but so they can continue to profit. That's how it is, and it needs to change.

THAT is my point. Interestingly, if we have a crushing victory in 2024 because of changes in demographics, and Dems find themselves in control of Congress and the White House, we'll see what actually happens. We here should NEVER make the mistake of thinking the GenZs or Millennials love Democrats. I know my kids, and the numerous young people with whom I converse, see the Dems as the lesser of evils. They want gun control, abortion access, student loan forgiveness and affordable debt-free college, childcare and healthcare. They actually want a government that governs us and makes policy decisions that benefit Main Street instead of funneling ever more public monies to Wall Street.

I think we may be about to see a significant change of the guard. Because these kids coming up are aggressive. They aren't willing to wait for stuff like this, because they have watched their parents and grandparents get screwed by Wall Street and trickle down economics.

So yeah, Biden has done some really good stuff, and Obama did too. But if we're honest, we have to destroy the GOP at the polls, and I mean destroy them, to buy another couple hundred years for our republic. Because right now, we are in end stage capitalism where we have wealth imbalances that are much worse than in 1929.

Seriously, our whole system has been padding the pockets of billionaire parasites (AOC is right when she says every billionaire is a failure in tax policy) since Kennedy was killed and LBJ sent 500,000 of our people to Vietnam so Wall Street could profit from their death toys. Dick Nixon sabotaged the peace talks in Paris so he could win while Vietnamese and American kids were dying in bunches. Then we had Lewis Powell's 1971 Manifesto to the US Chamber that lays out the whole corporate takeover plan. When Reagan slithered into the White House, he brought massive 'trickle down' tax cuts to corporations that essentially transferred the tax burden to individuals and killed the Fairness Doctrine in 1987.

Decades of AM talk radio and corporate-paid propaganda from Fox and others pounded the divisions between us, and we have what we have now. COVID wasn't enough to bring us together, because we had a divider in the White House. So we have 30 to 40 million heavily brainwashed people who always vote for the GOP and against their own interests.

If we actually want to save this republic, we'd better do some aggressive messaging at all levels and in all elections. I supported a lady running against a holy-roller wing-nut in my state house district, gave her money and got a yard sign. You know what her message was?

Make politics boring again.

Seriously.

We've got problems.

Now I know a bunch on this site - we who have fought the long fight and tend to be older, will pan me for saying what I just did. But the GenZs and Millennials are producing about 4 million new left-leaning voters a year. They like socialism. They like gun control. They want access to abortion. They want portable healthcare (you ever pay for COBRA? That's a break-the-bank thing, and NOT really portable for most because it simply is not affordable). They want childcare. They want better and fairer tax policies. And they insist on aggressive efforts to lower the carbon footprint and mitigate climate change. Essentially, they will be absolutely moving this party to the left. We'd better be ready to risk Wall Street's wrath.

Biden has done a really good job with the situation he has inherited. He has. I'm not cutting him down. What I am saying is that policy changes in favor of Main Street, not Wall Street, need to accelerate.

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My sister died (age 32) of cancer because of a lifetime cap. lastlib Jul 2023 #1
What a stab to the heart! I am moonscape Jul 2023 #13
One of several parasitic industries Artcatt Jul 2023 #20
The VA has spent over a million on my cancers over the the last 15 years. Thank you largest ... marble falls Jul 2023 #2
Private equity will destroy it all anyway. Anesthesiology practices lostnfound Jul 2023 #3
✔️+ live love laugh Jul 2023 #4
No one seems to know anything about a new venture capitalist partner's Backseat Driver Jul 2023 #23
The cigar chomping boys in their darkened, oak-paneled, boardroom yonder Jul 2023 #31
Sometimes I only see my Endos NP and I am ok with it as cstanleytech Jul 2023 #48
Happening to veterarian practices too. Support your independent vet groups! mahina Jul 2023 #50
I am so grateful to President Obama WhiteTara Jul 2023 #5
The ACA jacked our monthly insurance rate up about $1200 over 10 years Auggie Jul 2023 #6
Interesting. The effect on my household was the opposite. sybylla Jul 2023 #12
there are still states which refuse to accept the Medicaid Expansion yellowdogintexas Jul 2023 #30
We are self employed family as well. MontanaMama Jul 2023 #16
that's an outrage NJCher Jul 2023 #22
I write my congress critter and Senators every single December MontanaMama Jul 2023 #43
What state? tia uponit7771 Jul 2023 #65
Montana. MontanaMama Jul 2023 #73
Sympathies extended Auggie Jul 2023 #25
Back at you, friend. MontanaMama Jul 2023 #42
Obama did the best he thought he could, but the ACA was only a partial fix. PatrickforB Jul 2023 #37
Exactly Auggie Jul 2023 #39
The US doesn't have a health care system. markodochartaigh Jul 2023 #52
I beg to disagree on that. True Blue American Jul 2023 #55
If we wanted to come together, we'd stop spending over half the budget ($858B this year) PatrickforB Jul 2023 #71
Medicare for all is not the answer ExWhoDoesntCare Jul 2023 #78
that is madness, 46,000+ usd per year potentially out of pocket!!!! Celerity Jul 2023 #70
Yep self employed and small business coverage are areas that need improvement IbogaProject Jul 2023 #17
Hmm. There are other factors Hortensis Jul 2023 #18
Well, rates are based on age and zip code ... Auggie Jul 2023 #24
If you're getting it for a decent price it's because your income is low enough to get more subsidies questionseverything Jul 2023 #51
Not if you are old enough to get Medicare Advantage. True Blue American Jul 2023 #56
The aca doesn't cover you if you're old enough for medicare questionseverything Jul 2023 #59
Wrong again.The ACA True Blue American Jul 2023 #75
Medicare advantage is private insurance that guts regular medicare questionseverything Jul 2023 #79
Wrong, it adds to Medicare with extra benefits. True Blue American Jul 2023 #80
I bought insurance before Obamacare and insurance definitely had a million dollar cap Casady1 Jul 2023 #27
I get it ... Auggie Jul 2023 #32
Your "decent PPO" would have dropped you if you'd developed an expensive cancer pnwmom Jul 2023 #36
That's a fabrication. You can't know that. Auggie Jul 2023 #38
I can't know about your particular health situation, but it's not a fabrication that most policies pnwmom Jul 2023 #44
Yes we can uponit7771 Jul 2023 #61
No you can't. It's a fabrication to substantiate your own righteousness. Auggie Jul 2023 #69
Yes you CAN have know if your insurer COULD drop you before ACA. The answer is they can ... uponit7771 Jul 2023 #72
And lack of facts.o True Blue American Jul 2023 #76
How do you come to this conclusion,? True Blue American Jul 2023 #57
Would you take the chance with a loved ones life with pre ACA HCI? tia uponit7771 Jul 2023 #62
I came to that conclusion by reading and experience. We knew how high hospital bills pnwmom Jul 2023 #68
Did ACA jack up your cost or the state you live in? tia uponit7771 Jul 2023 #60
funny, I paid a lot less treestar Jul 2023 #64
ACA saved my life bmichaelh Jul 2023 #7
No Repuke should ever be believed ... and especially not Chump FakeNoose Jul 2023 #45
:) True Blue American Jul 2023 #58
The Sad Thing Is NowISeetheLight Jul 2023 #8
This is why we have huge market caps however lostnfound Jul 2023 #9
If you haven't seen Sicko, Abigail_Adams Jul 2023 #10
Cuba NowISeetheLight Jul 2023 #26
Thank you, everyone who voted Democratic Hortensis Jul 2023 #11
Health insurance companies are needless parasites. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2023 #14
The insurance companies are still keeping track Cairycat Jul 2023 #15
+1 leftstreet Jul 2023 #47
thank you President Obama LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2023 #19
Great point bmichaelh Jul 2023 #21
Lets not forget "ACA" is pretty much the republicans original healthcare option from the 90s Cheezoholic Jul 2023 #28
The public option was supposed to make the difference questionseverything Jul 2023 #81
I have free HC insurance XanaDUer2 Jul 2023 #29
No lifetime maximum caps with Medicare. Liberal In Texas Jul 2023 #33
Not all Medicare Advantage plans are equal wolfie001 Jul 2023 #66
re: prior authorizations misanthrope Jul 2023 #74
Yup Dave says Jul 2023 #34
Don't put all the blame on the "benefit managers". They have to negotiate Wonder Why Jul 2023 #35
I was going to say that the true cost is probably less than $100,000 SouthernDem4ever Jul 2023 #41
The difference between what you pay for and what you get is called "profit". Midnight Writer Jul 2023 #40
My grand baby would be dead if that cap were still in place peggysue2 Jul 2023 #46
STEPHEN KING HAD TO SUE HIS INSURANCE COMPANY Jimvanhise Jul 2023 #49
wtf ?! yeah, if Stephen King is suing for insurance coverage the avg America was screwed uponit7771 Jul 2023 #63
My husband and I are on Obamacare, too. THANK YOU, President Obama, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, LaMouffette Jul 2023 #53
It WAS a BFD flamingdem Jul 2023 #54
I am so, so glad I joined the Army. Ligyron Jul 2023 #67
But you still went on Medicare True Blue American Jul 2023 #77
Bump in honor of Peggysue2's baby granddaughter's liver transplant Hortensis Aug 2023 #82
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