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83. Hitler praised America's progress toward a primarily racial conception of citizenship.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 08:21 PM
Jul 2023

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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler

Among recent books on Nazism, the one that may prove most disquieting for American readers is James Q. Whitman’s “Hitler’s American Model: The United States and the Making of Nazi Race Law” (Princeton). ... Whitman methodically explores how the Nazis took inspiration from American racism of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. He notes that, in “Mein Kampf,” Hitler praises America as the one state that has made progress toward a primarily racial conception of citizenship, by “excluding certain races from naturalization.” Whitman writes that the discussion of such influences is almost taboo, because the crimes of the Third Reich are commonly defined as “the nefandum, the unspeakable descent into what we often call ‘radical evil.’ ” But the kind of genocidal hatred that erupted in Germany had been seen before and has been seen since. Only by stripping away its national regalia and comprehending its essential human form do we have any hope of vanquishing it.

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The Nazis were not wrong to cite American precedents. Enslavement of African-Americans was written into the U.S. Constitution. Thomas Jefferson spoke of the need to “eliminate” or “extirpate” Native Americans. In 1856, an Oregonian settler wrote, “Extermination, however unchristianlike it may appear, seems to be the only resort left for the protection of life and property.” General Philip Sheridan spoke of “annihilation, obliteration, and complete destruction.” To be sure, others promoted more peaceful—albeit still repressive—policies. The historian Edward B. Westermann, in “Hitler’s Ostkrieg and the Indian Wars” (Oklahoma), concludes that, because federal policy never officially mandated the “physical annihilation of the Native populations on racial grounds or characteristics,” this was not a genocide on the order of the Shoah. The fact remains that between 1500 and 1900 the Native population of U.S. territories dropped from many millions to around two hundred thousand.

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America’s knack for maintaining an air of robust innocence in the wake of mass death struck Hitler as an example to be emulated. ... Jim Crow laws in the American South served as a precedent in a stricter legal sense. Scholars have long been aware that Hitler’s regime expressed admiration for American race law, but they have tended to see this as a public-relations strategy—an “everybody does it” justification for Nazi policies. Whitman, however, points out that if these comparisons had been intended solely for a foreign audience they would not have been buried in hefty tomes in Fraktur type. “Race Law in the United States,” a 1936 study by the German lawyer Heinrich Krieger, attempts to sort out inconsistencies in the legal status of nonwhite Americans. Krieger concludes that the entire apparatus is hopelessly opaque, concealing racist aims behind contorted justifications. Why not simply say what one means? This was a major difference between American and German racism.

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American eugenicists made no secret of their racist objectives, and their views were prevalent enough that F. Scott Fitzgerald featured them in “The Great Gatsby.” (The cloddish Tom Buchanan, having evidently read Lothrop Stoddard’s 1920 tract “The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy,” says, “The idea is if we don’t look out the white race will be—will be utterly submerged.”) California’s sterilization program directly inspired the Nazi sterilization law of 1934. There are also sinister, if mostly coincidental, similarities between American and German technologies of death. In 1924, the first execution by gas chamber took place, in Nevada. In a history of the American gas chamber, Scott Christianson states that the fumigating agent Zyklon-B, which was licensed to American Cyanamid by the German company I. G. Farben, was considered as a lethal agent but found to be impractical. Zyklon-B was, however, used to disinfect immigrants as they crossed the border at El Paso—a practice that did not go unnoticed by Gerhard Peters, the chemist who supplied a modified version of Zyklon-B to Auschwitz. Later, American gas chambers were outfitted with a chute down which poison pellets were dropped. Earl Liston, the inventor of the device, explained, “Pulling a lever to kill a man is hard work. Pouring acid down a tube is easier on the nerves, more like watering flowers.” Much the same method was introduced at Auschwitz, to relieve stress on S.S. guards.

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Well, Hitler didn't mention anyone being LGBT, so it's safe for the kids Effete Snob Jul 2023 #1
they did persecute and kill them. barbtries Jul 2023 #14
A Black Man? NowISeetheLight Jul 2023 #41
don't even have to guess. barbtries Jul 2023 #42
that fucking Uncle Ruckus would get the Zyklon B 'shower' under the Hitler regime no matter how much Celerity Jul 2023 #49
Fits NowISeetheLight Jul 2023 #59
Their coded patch on their prison uniforms was a pink triangle.So yes, he tried to wipe them out too Hekate Jul 2023 #46
Yes... Effete Snob Jul 2023 #64
Visit the site at the link I gave you. I made my point. Hekate Jul 2023 #65
Your point is a non-sequitur Effete Snob Jul 2023 #67
I'm not seeing a reference in the OP to Hitler's books. Permanut Jul 2023 #76
. Effete Snob Jul 2023 #77
What are you talking about...they were sent to the same camps as the Jews...and instead Demsrule86 Jul 2023 #60
Quote which book to which you are referring Effete Snob Jul 2023 #63
They burned books. Demsrule86 Jul 2023 #71
So he thinks it's not wrong that Hitler killed millions of people ? kimbutgar Jul 2023 #2
See, now there's that "context" thing gratuitous Jul 2023 #10
Did he make the trains run on time? wryter2000 Jul 2023 #13
Nah - that was Mussolini. dchill Jul 2023 #34
That was propaganda IronLionZion Jul 2023 #44
These days it's becoming apparent that it's okay to murder certain people. IcyPeas Jul 2023 #26
Well, that's the other side of the Holocaust since Republicans think you gave to present both sides. Lonestarblue Jul 2023 #27
Wow. Lunabell Jul 2023 #3
No doubt about it. peppertree Jul 2023 #29
FREAK SHOW cilla4progress Jul 2023 #4
What an obscenity Joinfortmill Jul 2023 #5
A black Republican Hitler apologist. Well. bullimiami Jul 2023 #6
Right? Unwind Your Mind Jul 2023 #48
Now THAT'S something you don't see every day!.... electric_blue68 Jul 2023 #50
Porkchop Goering Celerity Jul 2023 #56
What bigot! Behind the Aegis Jul 2023 #7
Here's more of what he said.... Effete Snob Jul 2023 #75
Thanks for the link. I liked.... Behind the Aegis Jul 2023 #84
It was that incident which he was addressing Effete Snob Jul 2023 #85
I think you are giving them too much credit. Behind the Aegis Jul 2023 #86
Well, the alternative is a little odd Effete Snob Jul 2023 #87
Yes! Read them. Know your enemy. keithbvadu2 Jul 2023 #8
Yeah, he's nuts. We know. And he could be our next governor. yardwork Jul 2023 #9
What a piece of shit! Initech Jul 2023 #11
Just once I wish people would ask idiots like this wryter2000 Jul 2023 #12
His answer would probably be... Effete Snob Jul 2023 #74
LOL wryter2000 Jul 2023 #79
I was simply quoting the rest of what he said Effete Snob Jul 2023 #82
Garbage. Sick garbage. Solly Mack Jul 2023 #15
This guy is probably going to be the Republican nominee for governor. everyonematters Jul 2023 #16
I believe that this Ass***e just destroyed his political career. Stuart G Jul 2023 #25
I suspect he agrees with Mao one at least one thing: lastlib Jul 2023 #17
See, that's one of those quotes he's talking about... malthaussen Jul 2023 #62
Gee, Mr. Robinson, how do you think you would have fared under Hitler? LoisB Jul 2023 #18
What does he mean by " their work"? lame54 Jul 2023 #19
What the holy fuck? Scottie Mom Jul 2023 #20
Seriously sick fuck dalton99a Jul 2023 #21
Why does my state have these crackhead stupid Republicans?????? CRK7376 Jul 2023 #37
Agreed Red Mountain Jul 2023 #40
Dude, I've been alive long enough to remember Jesse Helms. BlackSkimmer Jul 2023 #61
They're everywhere wryter2000 Jul 2023 #81
Tool LuvLoogie Jul 2023 #22
Perhaps this ass**le should watch a movie "...Night and Fog" Stuart G Jul 2023 #23
Another episode of ''GQP Not Hiding Their End Goal'' ... aggiesal Jul 2023 #24
And exactly what context should we use... 3catwoman3 Jul 2023 #28
This is another right wing idiot slightlv Jul 2023 #30
Kick dalton99a Jul 2023 #31
"Let's not overlook all the positive things the Nazis did, like struggle4progress Jul 2023 #32
the bon mot of pol pot prodigitalson Jul 2023 #33
Please take this out of context WVreaper Jul 2023 #35
Given his crimes against humanity, I don't think that's possible... Rhiannon12866 Jul 2023 #36
This ignorant man is an example of not educating people in history...not just the allegorical oracle Jul 2023 #38
Taken out of context, my ass. area51 Jul 2023 #39
Dictators are the real victims here. Dude wrote a whole book about his struggle IronLionZion Jul 2023 #43
The Koch brothers bought "influencers" in North Carolina during the Tea Party fiasco. BComplex Jul 2023 #45
The Klanned Karenhood are disgusting Hekate Jul 2023 #47
He is a black man. nt BlackSkimmer Jul 2023 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jul 2023 #55
Right. Taken out of context. DFW Jul 2023 #51
Precisely. Kid Berwyn Jul 2023 #78
Obviously, they were just misunderstood. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2023 #52
Hitler laid out everything he was going to do in his book treestar Jul 2023 #54
That's actually the reason he gave Effete Snob Jul 2023 #73
Hmm, interesting treestar Jul 2023 #88
... Effete Snob Jul 2023 #89
I agree - engaging with the idea is apparently too hard treestar Jul 2023 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author Elessar Zappa Jul 2023 #57
It's more likely he would have been running a concentration camp Cyrano Jul 2023 #70
To read about dangerous demagogues ( Hitler/ Trump ) is important. The "context " danger here is BeckyDem Jul 2023 #58
Mark letting us know he is pro Hitler. sarcasmo Jul 2023 #66
A Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina said Hitler quote "was taken out of context"? Kid Berwyn Jul 2023 #68
Well Hitler was groomed by US racism of people like that governor. Soooo live love laugh Jul 2023 #69
? they had their own home grown racism TxGuitar Jul 2023 #80
Hitler praised America's progress toward a primarily racial conception of citizenship. live love laugh Jul 2023 #83
The "context"... jcgoldie Jul 2023 #72
Oh, yes. Poor misunderstood Adolf! peggysue2 Jul 2023 #91
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