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billh58

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106. It has always been

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:14 PM

Nov 2012

this way. Decades ago, Will Rogers said, "I don't belong to any organized political party -- I'm a Democrat." Nothing has changed, and yet we manage to keep the ideals of the Liberal Democratic Party moving forward.

Now that we have won yet another Presidential election, it is time for the PUMAs, the DLC-ers, the Greens, and the Independents to begin their bickering and snark while Democrats attempt to maintain some semblance of forward momentum. Liberal progress is admittedly too fast for some, much too slow for others, and "it is what it is" for most realistic Democrats.

When the Republicans realize that even with our disorganization, our ideals and goals are so much more honest and fair than theirs, they just may come to the table with some workable ideas. I'm not holding my breath...

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The Democratic Party is walking on thin ice.... [View all] kentuck Nov 2012 OP

I am not quite as discouraged as you are hollysmom Nov 2012 #1

I wish they consulted with him -- even just to have another viewpoint on gateley Nov 2012 #27

Agreed liberalmike27 Nov 2012 #57

If you think David gregory is a liberal DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #151

"managing liberalism to the point where it does not threaten the powers that be" RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #159

Verywell said. Thank you. n/t truedelphi Nov 2012 #202

I just got done... butterfly77 Nov 2012 #94

Agree -- I've contacted my reps, too, just saying WE call the shots, now, don't back down! gateley Nov 2012 #137

wish... kardonb Nov 2012 #100

Did you mean to respond to my post? gateley Nov 2012 #138

The President needs to use Krugman as an economic adviser. nt ladjf Nov 2012 #177

You are aware that the new Congress won't take office until next year? MineralMan Nov 2012 #2

There is no need for him to be making any concessions.... kentuck Nov 2012 #4

You know, I don't remember him making any concessions. MineralMan Nov 2012 #16

If you wait until it's done, it's too late. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #105

If you assume that he will do it, with no indication that he will, MineralMan Nov 2012 #111

Assume the best and be slaughtered along with the rest of the sheep. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #117

My friend, you're welcome to your point of view, but MineralMan Nov 2012 #119

Yeah, I don't share his negativity and I think the President knows what to do. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #122

And you are free to ignore what has gone before and pretend that it won't again. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #145

Who appointed the members of the Cat-Food Commission? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #127

I know of no Commission with that particular name. MineralMan Nov 2012 #132

You are unfamiliar with the "Cat-Food Commission"? Really? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #139

Ya think? Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #146

Actually we have lots of indication that he will Doctor_J Nov 2012 #164

The great majority of which is the same as the new one. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #31

As is usually the case. Only a third of the Senate is up every two years, MineralMan Nov 2012 #49

I thought we blew it last time AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #3

I second that motion. go west young man Nov 2012 #86

And not enough of us were out there still campaigning for our core values. Yes you would think our Overseas Nov 2012 #204

Nothing has happened yet. ProSense Nov 2012 #5

I think people are pissed off at the language and the actions of many Democrats... kentuck Nov 2012 #7

"Why are we so quick to soothe their hurt feelings?" randome Nov 2012 #19

+++1,000 recs JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #62

You cant compromise with terrorists. Republicans are terrorists. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #69

No, people hate it when you pretend to talk sense, but it actually isn't. Hissyspit Nov 2012 #124

and Clinton even worked with Newt brokechris Nov 2012 #169

no, it's not, & there is no deal that needs to be made before Jan. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #81

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #84

Obama said "elections have consequences and I won" to a bunch of republicans Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #28

We would all like to think so... kentuck Nov 2012 #30

I wish ya'll would just listen to yourselves.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #36

What did anyone expect from this election? kentuck Nov 2012 #39

Honestly. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #51

Or tin foil! n/t sheshe2 Nov 2012 #87

I was trying to be polite Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #95

It's been SEVEN FREAKING DAYS and Congress isn't even in session yet! WHAT do you want??? George II Nov 2012 #52

Exactly! kentuck Nov 2012 #63

Name names or STFU emulatorloo Nov 2012 #90

Did you see Schumer on C-SPAN? kentuck Nov 2012 #93

I'm getting more noise from you than signal emulatorloo Nov 2012 #99

Here is a post from a couple of hours ago... kentuck Nov 2012 #102

Thanks! I edited my post above to clarify. emulatorloo Nov 2012 #104

I agree with you that the Repubs have nothing... kentuck Nov 2012 #110

I don't really know what you're talking about, they're just talking generalities, did you hear... George II Nov 2012 #141

Did you see Obama's comments today, or his press secretary's comments? George II Nov 2012 #148

But he has yet to prove it. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #135

Can you provide examples? demwing Nov 2012 #33

Just HOW are we "so quick to soothe their hurt feeling"??? George II Nov 2012 #44

I think YOU are pissed off, but not many other "people" are pissed off...you're projecting George II Nov 2012 #149

If we wait until it's done, it will be too late. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #107

And what have they done since last Tuesday? sinkingfeeling Nov 2012 #6

Exactly. young but wise Nov 2012 #14

They haven't ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #15

Nothing....and that is worrisome.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #29

I wonder how these people who want to tread lightly will feel when Republicans,... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #78

I'll withhold rage until there's a reason for it... nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #8

I would prefer to let them know how I feel right now... kentuck Nov 2012 #10

Then let them know. They aren't reading DU, I'm sure. MineralMan Nov 2012 #17

Have you written to your congressman or senator? Or just posting on DU will get it done? George II Nov 2012 #155

what mandate? underoath Nov 2012 #9

332 - 206 ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #11

You're not understanding me though. underoath Nov 2012 #162

Why would it matter? ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #163

but less of one than he had in 2008!!! underoath Nov 2012 #165

He has every bit as much of a mandate as GWB ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #167

Because lower numbers means less of a mandate. underoath Nov 2012 #168

Who cares besides you and ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #170

I care because people are talking as if Obama won by a larger margin this time when he did not!!! underoath Nov 2012 #174

I get it and think it's silly ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #190

Your concern is noted underoath Nov 2012 #195

That's the 5th time you've posted that Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #172

because people dont realize that there is less of a mandate now than there was before. underoath Nov 2012 #173

So what do you want us to do? Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #176

stop talking about how there is a mandate. underoath Nov 2012 #182

No... ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #191

Who the hell cares about bush? underoath Nov 2012 #196

In 2004 GWB announced he had a mandate ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #194

Who cares about what bush thought he had. underoath Nov 2012 #197

GWB was wrong. Telly Savalas Nov 2012 #211

But Obama isn't. ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #213

How many times can you post the same thing? Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #171

A dirty little secret of Nov 6th 2012 - truedelphi Nov 2012 #203

exactly. So like I said, President Obama had more of a mandate in 2008 than he does today. underoath Nov 2012 #207

OBAMA HAS A MANDATE - way more than W's appointment by the court or Care Acutely Nov 2012 #154

Less of a mandate now than he had in 2008. underoath Nov 2012 #166

That doesn't mean he has no mandate. ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #192

How does it mean he has a mandate? underoath Nov 2012 #198

Because.... ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #199

What mandate? Because bush said he had one so now we must make sure everyone knows underoath Nov 2012 #206

I didn't dispute that. ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #210

I agree. O shows an inclination to throw it all away on Compromises and Syria-Iran. leveymg Nov 2012 #12

This is so discouraging. kentuck Nov 2012 #13

We all projected our own hopes for change onto him. This has happened twice, already. leveymg Nov 2012 #18

The lame duck session of all three branches of government is going to be hard to watch until January Cleita Nov 2012 #20

The President said this morning... kentuck Nov 2012 #21

Like I said it's going to be hard to watch until January Cleita Nov 2012 #24

Eric(Anal Leakage) Cantor The Wizard Nov 2012 #115

the payroll tax cuts shouldn't be extended. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #92

The Republicans are walking on thin ice gravity Nov 2012 #22

Yes. kentuck Nov 2012 #23

Because Americans want compromise gravity Nov 2012 #25

Americans do not want compromise. Americans want an improved economy. yardwork Nov 2012 #34

Americans want a balanced approach to fixing the economy gravity Nov 2012 #66

You are mistaken. Americans are not interested in the process. They are interested in outcomes. yardwork Nov 2012 #70

Well said, yardwork. kentuck Nov 2012 #72

Then stop attacking Obama on the process gravity Nov 2012 #157

What? Where have I attacked Obama? Nice accusation there. yardwork Nov 2012 #158

No, YOU stop telling people to shut up about important policies woo me with science Nov 2012 #212

Yes "balanced approach", like cutting defense spending and taxing the wealthy. NOT REDUCE SS AND rhett o rick Nov 2012 #71

You mean like in 2010? Doctor_J Nov 2012 #140

I agree with you. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #26

+1 treestar Nov 2012 #60

Don't say that. We're supposed to ignore the Republicans and just shit on Democrats. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #82

You're right, Kentuck. yardwork Nov 2012 #32

We've already won for the next four years The Second Stone Nov 2012 #35

No, we've won for the next 12 - 16 months at best. Failing to press that advantage to good purpose Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #109

I don't know what you are talking about. elleng Nov 2012 #37

Just one week since election day mac56 Nov 2012 #38

I was thinking the exact same thing lol Lilyeye Nov 2012 #153

It is the eternal need of some for perfect purity. Like voting for Nader in Florida 2000. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #184

why loyalkydem Nov 2012 #40

Post-election analysis NHDEMFORLIFE Nov 2012 #41

Good advice but.... kentuck Nov 2012 #46

I agree NHDEMFORLIFE Nov 2012 #73

Got anything specific about their actions, words, proposed compromise, etc? George II Nov 2012 #42

NOBODY WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #43

Good advice. 2naSalit Nov 2012 #56

Seriously. Jennicut Nov 2012 #76

Those of us who don't want a mass murder compromise enacted can't afford that eridani Nov 2012 #205

the Republicans never hesitate to claim a mandate - no matter what and move aggressively. Democrats Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #45

Hear hear!! Exactly my sentiments. Missn-Hitch Nov 2012 #47

It'd be great if the Dems could rule by fiat. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #48

The OP is proposing that we get ready to sit on our asses in 2014 and give republicans bluestate10 Nov 2012 #186

I have been working a lot. JNelson6563 Nov 2012 #50

Nothing has happened. Other than the pre-emptive frothing that happens on occasion on DU. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #187

Oh hell... zaj Nov 2012 #53

Just don't deny that this feeling is there... kentuck Nov 2012 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Nov 2012 #55

The Democratic Party did not get the House back treestar Nov 2012 #58

To get the HOR back we need to stand firm like the people want. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #74

they need to look at 2010 evilhime Nov 2012 #59

So you think 2010 a good thing? treestar Nov 2012 #61

you heaven05 Nov 2012 #64

Stop it just Stop the noise! sheshe2 Nov 2012 #65

Well it's been a week sharp_stick Nov 2012 #67

I will not take getting ... 99Forever Nov 2012 #68

The Right Wing wants you to fear them. The only authority they have is what you give them. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #75

I'm confused. Did I miss something in the news? drm604 Nov 2012 #77

No, they aren't. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #79

Yes, it's best if... kentuck Nov 2012 #83

I have no fucking clue what or who you are talking about emulatorloo Nov 2012 #80

The John2 Nov 2012 #97

I love this discussion RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #85

This is the way I see it! ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #88

Exactly! kentuck Nov 2012 #91

The rebublics are the one on the edge... ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #98

If not now, when? Will we get action or the usual "compromises" and excuses? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #89

Agreed Hutzpa Nov 2012 #96

Off the cliff. JEB Nov 2012 #101

The fiscal cliff JEB Nov 2012 #103

It has always been billh58 Nov 2012 #106

What's a PUMA? All I get from the urban dictionary is a pre-menopausal woman? Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #113

During the Primary Elections billh58 Nov 2012 #120

OIC, thank you. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #143

Republicans are still delusional Aerows Nov 2012 #108

How did asking the Republicans The Wizard Nov 2012 #112

+1 I like how you're thinking. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #114

Perfect recount of how things have proceeded JEB Nov 2012 #144

Oh, you're definitely not alone Oilwellian Nov 2012 #147

Reid: We Agree On How To Resolve 97-98 Percent Of Fiscal Cliff ProSense Nov 2012 #116

I agree. Autumn Nov 2012 #118

Totally disagree horsedoc Nov 2012 #121

That sounds like a FOX analogy... kentuck Nov 2012 #125

Here's the thing. A major motivator behind the independant vote was they saw Obama Ed Suspicious Nov 2012 #123

You are exactly right. I see a coming 10 year battle to get everything Progressives want. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #188

Oh please... like others have said, nothing has happened yet. Also OKNancy Nov 2012 #126

The future is now... kentuck Nov 2012 #129

Fancy saying, but also an empty one. Moderate and Independent voters gave the President his bluestate10 Nov 2012 #189

Damn lillypaddle Nov 2012 #128

You're right... kentuck Nov 2012 #130

Calm down already. babylonsister Nov 2012 #131

I will look for your posts in a couple of weeks... kentuck Nov 2012 #133

One of my pet slogans is... babylonsister Nov 2012 #134

It's a dirty job... kentuck Nov 2012 #136

Kick&Recommended... butterfly77 Nov 2012 #142

"They are about to piss away the next election ... Summer Hathaway Nov 2012 #150

with you on this. too many true believers star-gazing with happy smiles, for comfort. marasinghe Nov 2012 #152

Doesn't it seem early for turds in the punch bowl? AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #156

I agree! ..... THX for posting that! meti57b Nov 2012 #160

K&R woo me with science Nov 2012 #161

More kabuki. Octafish Nov 2012 #175

huh? Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2012 #178

the next election is less than two years away.... madrchsod Nov 2012 #179

Almost nothing they do for the next 6-10 months matters very much toward the next election. hughee99 Nov 2012 #180

I have no illusions. I voted for the Supreme Court which is significant. I also am not as clear as still_one Nov 2012 #181

There you go again. What democrats need is for us to give them unchallenged control of the bluestate10 Nov 2012 #183

Link please? NightOwwl Nov 2012 #185

Here's what I think Kentuck is saying Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #193

Obama, Axelrod and the rest know what they're doing. rudycantfail Nov 2012 #200

Yup, I'm afraid that their caving in is by design rather than by ineptness Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #201

+100000000 woo me with science Nov 2012 #208

K&R woo me with science Nov 2012 #209