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SunsetDreams

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94. "Therefore there must be reasons he didn't and doesn't do it."

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:49 PM

Jan 2012

Exactly congress...saying Obama is not doing it because he doesn't want to is binary thinking and a false assumption when you look at the FACTS.

It is a Campaign Promise Broken, but you are so right there are reasons behind it. Reasons that are grounded in fact, and have been discussed at length. They are not "because Obama doesn't want to do it".

Close the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/177/close-the-guantanamo-bay-detention-center/

A lot of back story on this issue grounded in true fact.

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Why hasn't Barack Obama closed the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay? [View all] MinervaX Jan 2012 OP

he tried to. republicans blocked it spanone Jan 2012 #1

Republicans and Congressional Democrats frazzled Jan 2012 #7

May 2009 the Senate voted 90-6 BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #9

House vote was 282-131 to prohibit closure, with Democrats split. frazzled Jan 2012 #11

True. BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #15

You can't sign a bill blocking funds and say you're in favor of closing it Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #47

Could'a, would'a, should'a BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #58

Winner, winner, chicken dinner gratuitous Jan 2012 #83

Once again, creating an imaginary scenario in order to blame Obama. TheWraith Jan 2012 #105

So very imaginary gratuitous Jan 2012 #109

You can't pocket veto something in the middle of a congressional session. TheWraith Jan 2012 #104

Yes, a 90-6 VETO-PROOF BLOCK. Not only that.... FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #71

I totally agree. I thought everyone on the left side of politics BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #80

They do understand but choose instead to regurgitate GOP talking points. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #92

Plenty of blame for all. morningfog Jan 2012 #119

Not with a 90-6 VETO PROOF Vote. Not happening. Time to lay the blame where it should be. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #122

Both sides, I agree. Including the president who signed it. morningfog Jan 2012 #123

Because Congress is a bunch of wusses who are terrified eridani Jan 2012 #2

They were afraid for their jobs - which most lost i Nov. 2010 anyway BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #16

IOW, it's our neighbors we need to change here, not Obama n/t eridani Jan 2012 #127

Congress? Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #3

Anyone who pays attention knows Congress is why. Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #4

hey thanks for the link SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #6

Excellent link, Pirate Smile! BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #13

Thanks for the link confirming Congress blocked Pres O from closing Guantanamo. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #90

The part that really annoys me is how so many Dems in Congress Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #124

You're right. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #128

My fear is libodem Jan 2012 #5

I've wondered about that as well Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #29

Like Mohammed el Gorani, who was 14 when Americans threw him in Guantamo? sad sally Jan 2012 #110

Two options here alcibiades_mystery Jan 2012 #8

Based on my experience BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #10

This song just popped into my head SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #14

Nice song! BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #18

I'm going with... one_voice Jan 2012 #19

Hard choices, but I'm gonna pick #1. The issue has been discussed to death. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #28

Same questions could be asked of the three special souls that rec'd this too Number23 Jan 2012 #116

Congress blocked him. MineralMan Jan 2012 #12

Jim Demint singlehandedly stopped Obama from closing Guantanamo. no_hypocrisy Jan 2012 #17

How many times does this need to be explained? phleshdef Jan 2012 #20

Amen! treestar Jan 2012 #23

Its just so silly. Its like me promising to buy my wife a new car, but then I get laid off.... phleshdef Jan 2012 #87

See Post #8, Option 1. lamp_shade Jan 2012 #21

Couldn't He Just Sign an Executive Order? zorahopkins Jan 2012 #22

Where will he get the funds? SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #24

Another Executive Order zorahopkins Jan 2012 #26

Sure he could I guess if you want the Executive to have that much power SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #40

The president does not have the power polmaven Jan 2012 #50

Eggs-actly! Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #96

Executive Orders are not a method for conferring all power on one branch of the government treestar Jan 2012 #25

I Get That zorahopkins Jan 2012 #27

He did issue an EO to have it closed Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #30

He Cannot Appropriate Money, BUT zorahopkins Jan 2012 #36

It sounds like he and Holder are still trying to find a workaround Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #41

How Long Do We Wait For Justice? zorahopkins Jan 2012 #43

You talk about 'justice' muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #44

Do The Right Thing zorahopkins Jan 2012 #46

He needed special appropriation for the new Gitmo North facility TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #39

If he says he wants to close Gitmo and has the power to do it (but hasn't) Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #45

He doesn't have the power now, except on a Constitutional basis that he is hard pressed TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #49

It was part of a defense spending bill I believe Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #51

He didn't have veto it or even allow the issue to come to a vote before it was too late to have TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #57

Some on this thread are asserting BlueCaliDem Jan 2012 #62

Question? Were you this passionate in 2010, when we were getting our asses handed to us by the TP? Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #33

Because, doncha know, the EO is the magic wand! treestar Jan 2012 #37

It's About Justice zorahopkins Jan 2012 #42

"He has the tools". You haven't yet convinced me, or is this about "symbolism"? Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #81

Kindly NAME these tools DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #120

I don't see how it is Congress' job to dictate prisoner assignments, to determinine who to prosecute TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #52

Simple. Congress has the power of the purse. Exactly as the founding fathers intended. stevenleser Jan 2012 #63

Show me the history of appropriations for individual transfers and facility assignments. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #70

LOL, you really think I am going to do that research to make you happy when the constitutional basis stevenleser Jan 2012 #73

No, I want you to examine your interpretation in any broad real world application TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #84

Apparently more complex than that treestar Jan 2012 #35

He has no serious plans to close it. woo me with science Jan 2012 #67

Does he have the ability to order a military unit to move? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #102

Because Congress blocked it surfdog Jan 2012 #31

For six months it was because Obama wanted to thread the political needle TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #32

Thanks for giving it straight. Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #48

Exactly. Obama could have closed it overnight, any time, for four months. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #74

Why post this and not stick around? n/t one_voice Jan 2012 #34

Snarky, content-free response. nt woo me with science Jan 2012 #54

Since that is in fact what the OP is, its a perfect response. nt stevenleser Jan 2012 #65

.... one_voice Jan 2012 #72

I heard that Fidel and Boehner decided to turn it into a golf resort flamingdem Jan 2012 #38

Haven't been paying attention much, have you? MilesColtrane Jan 2012 #53

Snarky, content-free response. nt woo me with science Jan 2012 #55

The content you and the OP are seeking is available all over the internet. MilesColtrane Jan 2012 #59

Yes, like extending the Patriot Act and signing NDAA. woo me with science Jan 2012 #69

A newbie who is going to help elighten us. grantcart Jan 2012 #108

there's a lot of shit there to be packed up, and he hasn't had much free time........ piratefish08 Jan 2012 #56

No reason why he can't, because he can. His supreme military authority and the discretionary ... T S Justly Jan 2012 #60

"Saying he wants to in public is designed to get ill-informed progressives and liberals to support" SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #64

Strict binary thinking causes you to assume motives. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #77

Exactly my point lol SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #79

Not comparable. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #89

Yabut, Jack . . . Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #93

Are you saying the president can't order the moving of a military JackRiddler Jan 2012 #101

No, what's missing here is the money to pay for the move. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #103

Bullshit. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #106

Great reply, Jack. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #118

"Therefore there must be reasons he didn't and doesn't do it." SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #94

kindly name the tool he has DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #121

. dionysus Jan 2012 #117

Republicans are blocking him! HE HAS NOT CHOSEN TO EMBRACE Welibs Jan 2012 #61

DUers answered your question. I'm surprised you didn't know that. Or did you? nt gateley Jan 2012 #66

He has yet to figure out how to keep a Guantanamo-style prison hughee99 Jan 2012 #68

So people like you can find something to post about for the next 11 months to help out Mittens. Sheepshank Jan 2012 #75

"You're either with us or against us." JackRiddler Jan 2012 #78

Nope not at all. just pointing out the idiocy Sheepshank Jan 2012 #125

Congress won't give him the money to do it. End of story. librechik Jan 2012 #76

If Congess won't close Gitmo I say the Prez should just free them Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #82

He signed similar restrictions on his branch there too. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #86

Because it would be hard to do... joeybee12 Jan 2012 #85

I give him a lot of shit. But on this, as far as I can tell. He was stabbed in the back by the other Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2012 #88

Good picture! Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #97

If that's not a serial killer photo. I don't know what is........ I kid I kid. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2012 #98

He signed the exectutive order to do so TODAY. ingac70 Jan 2012 #91

That article is from January 2009. * 2009 * n/t Tx4obama Jan 2012 #111

Because Congress won't allow him to. Rex Jan 2012 #95

Because having torture camps is in line with conservative objectives just1voice Jan 2012 #99

Not true SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #100

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #113

It does address it, if you will read it SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #115

congress nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #107

Read all the updates regardng GITMO on the link below from the bottom up... Tx4obama Jan 2012 #112

Paid trolls do better than this. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #114

2 reasons elana i am Jan 2012 #126