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In reply to the discussion: The Democratic Party is walking on thin ice.... [View all]Oilwellian
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My entire DEMOCRATIC family agrees with what you say, and I will segue this discussion further for those Democrats above who feign surprise, and just don't understand what Kentuck is talking about. Last year, as a result of Obama's Grand Bargain negotiations, he was willing to sign a Bill that would have raised the eligibility age of Medicare to 67. That of course would automatically raise the retirement age as well. Fortunately for ALL of us, the deal fell through thanks to Boehner. Fucking Boehner of all people stopped it from happening. Now imagine if Obama was successful in these negotiations and he raised the retirement age. Do you think he would have been re-elected last week? I think we're all lucky Grand Bargain I fell through or we would be looking at President Romney today.
A few of you ask why we're still worried. It's because Grand Bargain II is permeating our airwaves as I type this response, and all we hear from the Obama administration, again, are the words "compromise & sacrifice." We heard Clinton praise the Simpson Bowles Commission at the Democratic Convention. We heard Biden praise the Commission. We even heard Obama praise the Commission. The very same Catfood Commission that recommended we raise the eligibility age for Medicare.
To illustrate even further just how pissed off many liberals are with Obama, consider this discussion recently between Cornell West, Tavis Smiley & Amy Goodman:
TAVIS SMILEY: Yeah, II appreciate the sentiment. But their words, at the moment, we will see what kind of truth there is, what kind of authenticity there is behind those words, when the president, now back in Washington, sits down Republicans to deal with that word that I hatesequestrationwhen we start dealing with these cuts that are on the table. Weve said many times that budgets are moral documents. Budgets are moral documents. When they get into the weeds about these numbers and about the budget priorities, we will see how strong that sentiment comes through.
CORNEL WEST: Absolutely. Yeah, my spontaneous response is, if I believe those words, Im the flying nun of Eskimo origin. But everythings possible.
TAVIS SMILEY: Theres always hope.
CORNEL WEST: Everythings possible.
CORNEL WEST: Im a Christian. Everythings possible.
AMY GOODMAN: The crackdown happens from the beginning. The discussion is all about how far right do you go. And groups who are concerned about issues like poverty, issues of social justice, are being told, "Youre going to be luckyyou just have to be quiet right now, because we are talking about these massive cuts."
CORNEL WEST: Yeah, dont do it.
AMY GOODMAN: "Do not undercut the president."
TAVIS SMILEY: Well, theythats the same thing we heard the first term. And we see where we are now. And wepart of the reason why the race was as close as it was, getting down to the wire, is because too often in the first term, the president compromised, capitulated, caved, and oftentimes negotiate against himself with Republicans. And so, I hope that weve learned a lessonthat hes learned a lesson, the White House has learned a lesson, from the first administration, that sometimes youve got to draw a line in the sand. And as my grandfather said, theres some fights that aint worth fighting even if you win, but there are other fights you have to fight even if you lose. So I would love this notion of bipartisanship to come to the fore in Washington, but if that doesnt happen, the president has to stand on aon some immutable principles and try to advance the conversation.
AMY GOODMAN: Maybe its the bipartisan consensus thats the problem in Washington, not the gridlock, right? I mean, the bipartisan consensus
CORNEL WEST: Thats right.
AMY GOODMAN: you see reflected in the presidential debates. Theres no debate over drones.
CORNEL WEST: Thats right.
AMY GOODMAN: Theres no discussion of poverty, absolutely no mention of climate change. And yet, does this represent the majority of people in this country? Hardly, I think this election shows.
CORNEL WEST: Not at all. Not at all. You got the far right, and then youve got the center-rightthe Republican Party, Democratic Party. And without no one whos really progressive on the left telling the truth about the suffering. But, you know, the truth is, is that, you know, if 40 percent of white babies were going to bed every night either starving or not having enough to eat, it would be a different discussion. And each baby has the same value, but weve got 40 percent of the babies of color who are going to bed without, and were told to be silent and somehow capitulate to a debate about deficit, when we know we need massive investment for jobs with a living wage, massive investment for public housing, massive investment for public education, and were getting privatization on each front? Theres no way were going to be silent. You would have to crush us to the earth and introduce us to the worms before were going to be silent.
(The entire discussion began with this incredible exchange)
CORNEL WEST: Well, one, I think that its morally obscene and spiritually profane to spend $6 billion on an election, $2 billion on a presidential election, and not have any serious discussionpoverty, trade unions being pushed against the wall dealing with stagnating and declining wages when profits are still up and the 1 percent are doing very well, no talk about drones dropping bombs on innocent people. So we end up with such a narrow, truncated political discourse, as the major problemsecological catastrophe, climate change, global warming. So its very sad. I mean, Im glad there was not a right-wing takeover, but we end up with a Republican, a Rockefeller Republican in blackface, with Barack Obama, so that our struggle with regard to poverty intensifies.
AMY GOODMAN: Thats a pretty rough assessment of President Obama.
CORNEL WEST: Oh, thats what we have. Thats what we have. Richard Nixon is to the left of him on healthcare. Richard Nixon is to the left of him on guaranteed income. And the same policies in terms of imperial foreign policy is at work. And so, I was glad to see that Romney didnt win. We pushed back a right-wing takeover. Weve got a right-wing mentality: cut, cut, cut, austerity, austerity, austerity. Where is the serious talk about investment in jobs, fighting the privatizing of education, and the empowerment of trade unions? And so, our battle is just beginning. We have yet to take off the gloves. You know, weve been fighting intensely.
AMY GOODMAN: President Obama said to Harry Belafonte, according to Harry, "Why dont you and Cornel West cut me some slack?" And Corneland Harry Belafonte responded, "What makes you think were not?"
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2012/11/9/part_2_tavis_smiley_and_dr_cornel_west_on
If you don't know about these rumblings within our own party, you're clearly not paying attention.