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Zalatix

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112. The draft is sexist and should be banned.

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What do you think of the notion of "women and children first" during a disaster? [View all] AngryAmish Jan 2012 OP

It would be women and children first with me. onehandle Jan 2012 #1

agreed roguevalley Jan 2012 #38

First come, first served basis would be fair. HappyMe Jan 2012 #2

Isn't the point of women and children first to avoid that RZM Jan 2012 #30

I'm going on the assumption that there is 1 spot available HappyMe Jan 2012 #50

I have read accounts of that happening RZM Jan 2012 #52

I saw a couple of captains being interviewed earlier today. HappyMe Jan 2012 #61

He's going to get even more for manslaughter, but anyone who is a captain of any size cbayer Jan 2012 #107

Children would come in last so from their point of view - not fair. kiranon Jan 2012 #96

It makes sense to me... arcane1 Jan 2012 #3

I'm a devout follower of George Costanza on this subject: ret5hd Jan 2012 #4

My only child and and grandchild are female so I'm in favor. Swamp Lover Jan 2012 #5

Just as long as the captain isn't first Generic Other Jan 2012 #6

best reply so far Dokkie Jan 2012 #46

I can see why that whole notion would be taken as quaint and totally out of step... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #7

Overboard with them! Every Man for HimSelf! ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2012 #8

It certainly shouldn't be Captain and crew first. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #9

In case the obvious needs to be stated. Scuba Jan 2012 #21

There's been several in the last few years where that happened. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #27

And then I think of the staff of that famous Mumbai hotel that stayed after terrorist attack & fire. hlthe2b Jan 2012 #29

Children first certainly.... and for me it would depend on who the women were... Yooperman Jan 2012 #10

we have this is womens forum. my answer. copied and pasted seabeyond Jan 2012 #11

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Elderly supposed to go out and forage...? hlthe2b Jan 2012 #16

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Oh, I understand the "science" behind the thought, but sort of doubt the practicality... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #41

The elderly get thrown under the bus in nuclear plans. Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #34

The draft is sexist and should be banned. Zalatix Jan 2012 #112

the draft *is* banned, but could be resurrected by Congress Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #142

Get rid of selective service Zalatix Jan 2012 #146

Think of the opposite extreme: murielm99 Jan 2012 #13

in an emergency evacuation ANY systemic approach is better than chaos.... mike_c Jan 2012 #14

You make a good point that a system avoids chaos. Having women and kids snagglepuss Jan 2012 #130

It's just common sense. The men are usually stronger and need to help with survival efforts librechik Jan 2012 #15

fuck that quinnox Jan 2012 #17

Elderly, those with physical limitations and children should be first. However, ... demmiblue Jan 2012 #18

As I get older.... jberryhill Jan 2012 #48

As a Middle-Aged RobinA Jan 2012 #82

You nailed it. Children first then the stronger help the weaker regardless of gender or age. pampango Jan 2012 #115

I was going to say children, their mothers, handicapped people, and the elderly should go first XemaSab Jan 2012 #58

Why not children and their fathers? n/t Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #62

Shhh. You'll get a lecture about privilege. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #64

Well done Charlemagne Jan 2012 #90

You have no idea what you are talking about. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #134

Yay! common ground!... cuz I have no idea what you're talking about either. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #137

I posted the same question... woolldog Jan 2012 #85

Men are expendable, remember this is an equal society Zalatix Jan 2012 #113

Um, why can't it be children and their fathers? woolldog Jan 2012 #83

male disposability. Charlemagne Jan 2012 #98

actually iverglas Jan 2012 #105

I was just trying Charlemagne Jan 2012 #108

I'm especially clear and concise iverglas Jan 2012 #111

"If 1 man and 5 women survive a disaster, the group can produce 5 children in a year." Zalatix Jan 2012 #114

I've come to the conclusion that our space colonies will be founded by lesbians. krispos42 Jan 2012 #135

I say those that need the most assistance go first. rhett o rick Jan 2012 #19

I think the idea came from "Olden" days when the women where the mothers of the children Justice wanted Jan 2012 #20

Women and children first. If I saw someone pushing.. Bonhomme Richard Jan 2012 #22

A kid shouldn't be on the boat anyway. trackfan Jan 2012 #23

Good point... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #43

lol! HappyMe Jan 2012 #75

The least able should be evacuated first, by the most able lapislzi Jan 2012 #24

No reason but ... intaglio Jan 2012 #25

"Other people first" is I think probably the important thing. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #26

Gender bias in action, or at least in policy - this is an inequality the feminists won't target. Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #28

I just told my co-worker that I'd like to THINK that I'd justiceischeap Jan 2012 #36

I'd certainly want my wife and kids saved at my expense LanternWaste Jan 2012 #47

well here comes a feminist iverglas Jan 2012 #110

Opinions vary... Scuba Jan 2012 #31

lol very good quinnox Jan 2012 #40

DUzy MissB Jan 2012 #42

well said Scuba IcyPeas Jan 2012 #51

+1 Charlemagne Jan 2012 #91

LOL! n/t drmeow Jan 2012 #103

Children and the physically disabled should be helped first varelse Jan 2012 #32

It's very primal - as appropriate to an emergency jberryhill Jan 2012 #35

Women, children, elderly, and disabled. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #37

Equal? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #56

I look at it as a form of affirmative action. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #57

Affirmative action involves correcting injustices of the past. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #60

So you think that percentage is too high? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #76

For identical jobs? Yes. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #84

Why should they be different at all? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #86

I heard differently, that families did not want to be separated treestar Jan 2012 #39

I agree. It is a sexist anachronism & wishful thinking anyway. Panic overrides all. stevenleser Jan 2012 #44

children, with a parent/guardian first... Scout Jan 2012 #45

You must have missed post #58 lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #69

you must have missed #105 and #110 n/t Scout Jan 2012 #141

I think he can be forgiven for lacking the ability to read future posts, yes? Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #143

Children with one of their parents (mom or dad), then disabled, then elderly, then the rest. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #49

What if the Captain is a woman? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #53

Not disaster, but my experience riding the NYC subways HockeyMom Jan 2012 #54

Demographics of Titanic disaster interesting in this regard. Men 20% got off the ship Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #55

I wonder what the demographics of the people on board was - hedgehog Jan 2012 #70

John Jacob Astor IV AngryAmish Jan 2012 #74

It doesn't make much sense to me. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #59

Looks like everyone would die waiting for you to suss out priorities. nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #65

They can talk about it while I am on the boat with my family. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #71

Undoubtedly, trampling some geezer with a cane to ensure that. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #77

I bring a cane-using geezer everywhere I go just for trampling purposes. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #80

Disaster brings out character. undeterred Jan 2012 #63

The seed and the future go first, us manly men will wait to cower Rex Jan 2012 #66

I was actually thinking of this the other day. mrs_p Jan 2012 #67

Personally RockaFowler Jan 2012 #68

Rethuglicans would say "Privileged class first!" lpbk2713 Jan 2012 #72

OMG Charlemagne Jan 2012 #92

What a dumbassed idea dballance Jan 2012 #73

You forgot your Sarcasm smiley there. MineralMan Jan 2012 #93

I think most people would instinctively protect the young and those who could Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #78

Children first. then women and less-abled men, then older men, LeftinOH Jan 2012 #79

As a 44 year old male, I'm OK with the concept. Throd Jan 2012 #81

During the time when sea travel Charlemagne Jan 2012 #87

Wasn't always that way. Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #99

True Charlemagne Jan 2012 #101

It should be children and disabled + guardians first, old folks next, able bodied last. yellowcanine Jan 2012 #88

there were also reports that 'women and children first' broke up families. Fathers separated Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #89

I'm an old fart. MineralMan Jan 2012 #94

uh huh. ret5hd Jan 2012 #121

Fuck that shit, I'm getting saved ASAP! JVS Jan 2012 #95

I'm imagining a lifeboat full of men and children - lynne Jan 2012 #97

Sexist. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #120

I'm hoping that is just a sarcastic post muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #122

Children & primary caregivers first. qb Jan 2012 #100

Aren't most children with their mothers? ecstatic Jan 2012 #102

Are women equal to men or aren't they? I know the answer, but it isn't 'politically correct'. Edweird Jan 2012 #104

'Equal?' elleng Jan 2012 #117

What's the answer?? nt Liquorice Jan 2012 #133

Captain and crew first; everyone else can fend for themselves pokerfan Jan 2012 #106

Children and one parent (or guardian) first obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #109

It still works. elleng Jan 2012 #116

how about everyone who needs assistance: kids, elderly, disabled-- AND Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #118

To quote Heinlein on the subject... Jean V. Dubois Jan 2012 #119

He seems to be talking about some bizarre, large-scale, catastrophic event. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #132

A great deal can be rationalized on the basis of men's responsiblity to protect the women. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #144

Doesn't seem like even a question... JSnuffy Jan 2012 #123

most men barbtries Jan 2012 #124

It would be children first with me. IrishEyes Jan 2012 #125

Children first, and then women - no brainer - women are the smarter sex. chrisa Jan 2012 #126

Survival of the species; greiner3 Jan 2012 #127

But in the modern world, there is no such concern treestar Jan 2012 #129

As soon as a disaster strikes a committee should be formed to judge the relative worth of each... yawnmaster Jan 2012 #128

I believe the policy is now "families with children first" krispos42 Jan 2012 #131

This ship was 3 hours out, right? Blacksheep214 Jan 2012 #136

Hey, as long as Dick Cheney is last, I'm good. Marie Marie Jan 2012 #138

This really isn't a question, is it? I mean really? Men are Liquorice Jan 2012 #139

Assuming that there are enough lifeboats, Dan Jan 2012 #140

I think all the big strong guys who can DevonRex Jan 2012 #145