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Aerows

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21. This is no improvement

Wed Dec 14, 2011, 07:31 PM

Dec 2011

It still gives unchecked power to a president to indefinitely detain Americans on American soil with no trial. If you don't have a problem with that, I have to wonder what you would have a problem with.

All we need now is for an election to get screwed up, get some GOP idiot in there, and we would be screwed as a populace. If one person gets picked up off the streets and detained without trial, it can happen to any one of us.

That's not alarmist thinking, either. That has happened multiple times throughout history and it never worked out well for the people. See: Soviet Union. See: Nazi Germany. See: Any number of banana republics.

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White House Says No Veto Of Defense Bill [View all] brentspeak Dec 2011 OP

No veto??? Well this is a surprise. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #1

Not surprising... TDale313 Dec 2011 #5

agree... unfortunately. Justice wanted Dec 2011 #8

Further in the article suffragette Dec 2011 #2

No a bit surprised on that, Autumn Dec 2011 #3

Even when Obama wins a staredown, he just can't win with some people. TheWraith Dec 2011 #4

The legislation also would deny... Richard Charnin Dec 2011 #6

the issue is the content of the bill not Obama's political gamesmanship nt msongs Dec 2011 #11

From the article... markpkessinger Dec 2011 #12

Your point is THE point. stillwaiting Dec 2011 #14

That's my problem with it, too Aerows Dec 2011 #17

The House hasn't voted yet on this proposed legislation AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #7

Well said AC! nt One of the 99 Dec 2011 #9

Hello there. Welcome to DU. AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #29

When we are even THINKING Aerows Dec 2011 #23

No flies on you. Why wait for the facts? AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #24

I'm going to be alarmed Aerows Dec 2011 #25

Again you are jumping the gun, but have at. AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #26

It's not jumping the gun whatsoever Aerows Dec 2011 #27

Don't project your hypervigilence on me. AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #28

I'll continue to be vigilent Aerows Dec 2011 #30

If the "war on terror" is as serious as a bunch of fearmongering politicians claim it to be noise Dec 2011 #31

Sections 1031 and 1032 explicitly exclude American citizens and Green Card holders. AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #40

No, what it says is... Aerows Dec 2011 #41

The Constitution still stands regardless, but these statutes AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #42

The AP reported this today. Aerows Dec 2011 #43

Read it again. It reflects the exemptions I already posted. AtomicKitten Dec 2011 #45

I think you've rather lost the plot. Robb Dec 2011 #10

Thanks. (nt) redqueen Dec 2011 #13

It gives the president discretion Aerows Dec 2011 #15

The bill he threatened to veto said zero civilian trials. Robb Dec 2011 #16

Should he sign THIS one? n/t brentspeak Dec 2011 #18

Hence now we have elected kings nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #20

How dare you! noise Dec 2011 #32

This is no improvement Aerows Dec 2011 #21

See the US. and one Mr. Padilla nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #34

No. It does not give that power. Robb Dec 2011 #35

From the AP article Aerows Dec 2011 #39

"The provisions do not extend new authority to detain U.S. citizens." Robb Dec 2011 #46

So you trust a future Repub president with this power? nt Union Scribe Dec 2011 #33

If President Obama is willing to do so, shouldn't that be good enough for us? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #47

I want to watch what Rep.Barbra Lee said about it Autumn Dec 2011 #19

Correction Aerows Dec 2011 #22

Bring back unrec! Bring back unrec! Number23 Dec 2011 #36

Totally noise Dec 2011 #37

WTF Obama- hope my ass Dragonbreathp9d Dec 2011 #38

Incredible.... rasputin1952 Dec 2011 #44

If you think American is still a free country urantia1 Dec 2011 #48

White House says NO to wanting my vote slay Dec 2011 #49