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BlueIn_W_Pa

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46. But the numbers don't add up

Sun Aug 20, 2023, 05:36 PM

Aug 2023

Was the world so bad, for virtually the entirety of human history, that our ancestors shouldn’t have made our lives possible? If not, then nothing in our near future looks so horrible that it turns reproduction into an immoral act. ...

The entirety of human history didn't have this many mouths to feed except in the past 100 yrs - like exponentially more mouths to feed. This is due to cheap oil. Of course there will be kids, but whether you should have an increasing population, yeah, that should be a big issue.

Will Western society be better off (especially the US with our resources), sure, but there's no doubt APAC and Africa are so overpopulated that if oil were to go away, you may think twice before having kids.

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Is Industrial Society on the Verge of Collapse? [View all] discocrisco01 Aug 2023 OP

Good article jmbar2 Aug 2023 #1

Well put. MomInTheCrowd Aug 2023 #6

Feeds the rich while it burys the poor BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #10

Off topic,but how was it (were thinking about tickets for next month)? Volaris Aug 2023 #18

Just, wow BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #19

Very good info, thank you. We will now return you, to your original thread. Volaris Aug 2023 #20

Their opening acts are awsome too BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #21

I'm just glad I'm 67 instead of 27. NewHendoLib Aug 2023 #2

Are you crazy? Goodheart Aug 2023 #5

No, the opposite of crazy Doc Sportello Aug 2023 #7

Indeed. I've loved my life - still do, because I don't watch TV NewHendoLib Aug 2023 #8

I'm 69 and things weren't always easy growing up Doc Sportello Aug 2023 #13

Perfectly stated. Thx! NewHendoLib Aug 2023 #15

I'm 70 and feel the same way. n/t Mr.Bill Aug 2023 #47

Back when we still valued community. CrispyQ Aug 2023 #63

I hear you but I worry about what my six year old will have to deal with. honest.abe Aug 2023 #12

What are you doing to help him adapt? Kaleva Aug 2023 #27

What would you suggest?? honest.abe Aug 2023 #51

First, find out reputable experts predict will happen in your area Kaleva Aug 2023 #57

Good grief. honest.abe Aug 2023 #58

Agree wholeheartedly flamingdem Aug 2023 #48

Yes. That's an easy question NickB79 Aug 2023 #3

The only reason 8 billion can live today BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #24

The problem is that fossil fuels ARE NOT RUNNING OUT. hunter Aug 2023 #30

but peak "cheap" oil is running out BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #32

NG is worse than coal NickB79 Aug 2023 #36

Not at all BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #41

I'm comparing NG directly to coal. Nothing else NickB79 Aug 2023 #45

Wow, thank you! I spent the last half hour running through the paper BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #49

People know coal is bad. hunter Aug 2023 #40

I've an open mind BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #42

Heavy crude oils, which are essentially gooey tar, are cracked and hydrogenated to make gasoline... hunter Aug 2023 #52

But we're not talking gasification BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #54

Yes, we're on the verge of collapse & no, our elites won't perform any better than past elites. CrispyQ Aug 2023 #4

Diamond's Gibbons-esque myopia hamstrings his scholarship. HardPort Aug 2023 #9

Chaco and Mayan societies as they were did collapse Doc Sportello Aug 2023 #14

Who will remember the conflicts of GREAT MEN if civilization collapses? hunter Aug 2023 #31

this word "fall"--I do not think it means what you think it means Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #50

Derp. Simp for the patriarchy elsewhere. "Fall" is a Eurocentric narrative. Period. HardPort Aug 2023 #60

an amusing take Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #61

Yes. Human society is generally collapsing everywhere. ananda Aug 2023 #11

Greed, lust for power, narcissism doing us in. NewHendoLib Aug 2023 #16

I hope humans will stop most breeding. Sky Jewels Aug 2023 #17

Overpopulation leads to chaos and collapse. ananda Aug 2023 #22

Sadly, I think you're right. Sky Jewels Aug 2023 #23

Alternate view here BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #25

Yes, that too. Sky Jewels Aug 2023 #33

More likely it will slowly fizzle out over multiple decades. MineralMan Aug 2023 #26

It's generational, complicated with climate change and peak oil this time BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #28

An antidote argument to end-times despair and fearmongering: Hortensis Aug 2023 #29

The first mistake is trusting climate models NickB79 Aug 2023 #34

Yes, it is part of the responsibility in science misanthrope Aug 2023 #56

I like Ezra, but the thesis is wrong on one, big way BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #39

He's NOT wrong in reporting that all the climate experts he's Hortensis Aug 2023 #44

But the numbers don't add up BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #46

They do for experts in the related fields. No one should Hortensis Aug 2023 #53

Human Industrial Collapse is a matter of time now at tipping point. nt PufPuf23 Aug 2023 #35

Sorry to disappoint BannonsLiver Aug 2023 #37

Turn out the lights ... the party's over Kennah Aug 2023 #38

In the US, near term, probably not BlueIn_W_Pa Aug 2023 #43

I suspect Kennah Aug 2023 #55

Nope. onenote Aug 2023 #59

Imagine...for some young people alive today, these will one day be the good old days elocs Aug 2023 #62

It's likely my ancestors hated the Romans and celebrated the collapse of their empire. hunter Aug 2023 #64