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Sancho

(9,215 posts)
1. People Control, Not Gun Control
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 05:51 AM
Aug 2023

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Aug 2023 #1
People control AND gun control. AllyCat Aug 2023 #3
Well thought out and it would certainly be helpful Joinfortmill Aug 2023 #5
And again. No. Just no. It's the guns!!!!! nt Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #8
There is no part of a license that prevents gun restrictions!!! Sancho Aug 2023 #9
But it doesn't solve the problem. Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #10
I happen to know that dangerous behavior can be predicted.... Sancho Aug 2023 #13
The mental health screening seems tricky to me edisdead Aug 2023 #15
How many murder/suicides would be prevented by screening for a license before possessing a gun? Sancho Aug 2023 #16
I do not disagree with any of that edisdead Aug 2023 #17
No one would be preventing you from having a license to possess a gun... Sancho Aug 2023 #18
None of those are guaranteed constitutional rights. edisdead Aug 2023 #19
Please read this book..."The Second Amendment: A Biography" Sancho Aug 2023 #24
Sure I will just go read a book. edisdead Aug 2023 #26
The book would help you understand the current laws. Sancho Aug 2023 #35
So this person who wants a gun is going to answer truthfully Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #21
Please try to follow... Sancho Aug 2023 #23
I am following and pointing out why this is a poorly Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #25
There is NOTHING in a license that would prohibit restriction of guns!! Sancho Aug 2023 #28
No, it doesn't make any more sense now than it did before. Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #31
And yet there are still 3 people dead. Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #27
Would a license have prevented someone who posted a manifesto from easy access to guns.... Sancho Aug 2023 #29
You are delusional. He already had the gun but as I already stated Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #33
He had been Baker-acted in Florida. IF there had been a strict license, he would not have the gun. Sancho Aug 2023 #36
This gets posted every once in a while Lurker Deluxe Aug 2023 #34
I'll try one more time. Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #20
This has been explained repeatedly... Sancho Aug 2023 #30
No it hasn't been "explained" An explanation would include Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #32
That is like saying, "Who is the clerk that takes your picture for your driver's license?" Sancho Aug 2023 #37
Who is going to do all the steps you suggest? Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #39
Licenses would be issued by the state government... Sancho Aug 2023 #41
I'm not asking for the name of the person. Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #40
Most licenses would be state licenses, but it is possible to have a Federal license... Sancho Aug 2023 #42
So it's a plan without any thought given to how it would Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #43
Plenty of thought... but every state would have it's own parallel process. Sancho Aug 2023 #44
No, the point of the post is to "prove" that the way to Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #45
Grew Up NRA As Well NowISeetheLight Aug 2023 #22
Me too...NRA in the late 50s and 60s was a training and safety organization. Sancho Aug 2023 #38
This could and did happen..... Duppers Aug 2023 #2
These people Old Crank Aug 2023 #4
I shudder to think how many people routinely drive around with a loaded gun in easy reach. tanyev Aug 2023 #6
The standards to get a CPL are really, really low Kaleva Aug 2023 #7
Why didn't she put it in her purse, instead of into the child's backpack?? Talitha Aug 2023 #11
i thought the same thing. nt orleans Aug 2023 #12
That was my first thought. niyad Aug 2023 #46
Sly wicked way to get your bad child taken away from you? Brainfodder Aug 2023 #14
"morning procedures"??? Let me guess .patting kids down, searching niyad Aug 2023 #47
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