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edisdead

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17. I do not disagree with any of that
Sat Aug 26, 2023, 02:31 PM
Aug 2023

I do not disagree with any of that, what I have concern (read: not outright refusal) is in how that is done. What is the baseline for approval disapproval, how is that information safeguarded? Are we really going to use data such as things said at work? That seems very circumstantial, and I am not sure that will hold up under any sort of legal test for something that many Americans (and the USSC) view as a constitutional right.

I think the problem is that while you are comparing a person’s ability to drive after being shown to be dangerous (accumulated DUI’s, etc), is that is based on actions that the individual has committed versus trying to predict what someone WILL do. Restricting rights (that are currently enshrined) based on facts of what someone has done carries a lot more weight than guessing what someone might do), Which is where the concept of limiting rights based on a history of abuse has a lot of merit. It should absolutely be a factor in determining one’s fitness to own a firearm. Another issue is much if mental health attention is sought by the individual which is a GOOD thing and we absolutely NEED to keep it that way. Turning mental health issues into deterrents for seeking help under the possibility of becoming ineligible for things seems like a bad idea to me. It is one thing that I actually agree with some on the right about (even if I do think they are often dishonest about their mention of it).

Additionally, I have very little if any desire to own a gun. However, I don’t think I would be ok having a right that has been enshrined (supposedly) not available to me based on me seeking medical care. I also think it would be used to beat the hell out of us politically.

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People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Aug 2023 #1
People control AND gun control. AllyCat Aug 2023 #3
Well thought out and it would certainly be helpful Joinfortmill Aug 2023 #5
And again. No. Just no. It's the guns!!!!! nt Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #8
There is no part of a license that prevents gun restrictions!!! Sancho Aug 2023 #9
But it doesn't solve the problem. Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #10
I happen to know that dangerous behavior can be predicted.... Sancho Aug 2023 #13
The mental health screening seems tricky to me edisdead Aug 2023 #15
How many murder/suicides would be prevented by screening for a license before possessing a gun? Sancho Aug 2023 #16
I do not disagree with any of that edisdead Aug 2023 #17
No one would be preventing you from having a license to possess a gun... Sancho Aug 2023 #18
None of those are guaranteed constitutional rights. edisdead Aug 2023 #19
Please read this book..."The Second Amendment: A Biography" Sancho Aug 2023 #24
Sure I will just go read a book. edisdead Aug 2023 #26
The book would help you understand the current laws. Sancho Aug 2023 #35
So this person who wants a gun is going to answer truthfully Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #21
Please try to follow... Sancho Aug 2023 #23
I am following and pointing out why this is a poorly Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #25
There is NOTHING in a license that would prohibit restriction of guns!! Sancho Aug 2023 #28
No, it doesn't make any more sense now than it did before. Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #31
And yet there are still 3 people dead. Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #27
Would a license have prevented someone who posted a manifesto from easy access to guns.... Sancho Aug 2023 #29
You are delusional. He already had the gun but as I already stated Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #33
He had been Baker-acted in Florida. IF there had been a strict license, he would not have the gun. Sancho Aug 2023 #36
This gets posted every once in a while Lurker Deluxe Aug 2023 #34
I'll try one more time. Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #20
This has been explained repeatedly... Sancho Aug 2023 #30
No it hasn't been "explained" An explanation would include Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #32
That is like saying, "Who is the clerk that takes your picture for your driver's license?" Sancho Aug 2023 #37
Who is going to do all the steps you suggest? Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #39
Licenses would be issued by the state government... Sancho Aug 2023 #41
I'm not asking for the name of the person. Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #40
Most licenses would be state licenses, but it is possible to have a Federal license... Sancho Aug 2023 #42
So it's a plan without any thought given to how it would Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #43
Plenty of thought... but every state would have it's own parallel process. Sancho Aug 2023 #44
No, the point of the post is to "prove" that the way to Phoenix61 Aug 2023 #45
Grew Up NRA As Well NowISeetheLight Aug 2023 #22
Me too...NRA in the late 50s and 60s was a training and safety organization. Sancho Aug 2023 #38
This could and did happen..... Duppers Aug 2023 #2
These people Old Crank Aug 2023 #4
I shudder to think how many people routinely drive around with a loaded gun in easy reach. tanyev Aug 2023 #6
The standards to get a CPL are really, really low Kaleva Aug 2023 #7
Why didn't she put it in her purse, instead of into the child's backpack?? Talitha Aug 2023 #11
i thought the same thing. nt orleans Aug 2023 #12
That was my first thought. niyad Aug 2023 #46
Sly wicked way to get your bad child taken away from you? Brainfodder Aug 2023 #14
"morning procedures"??? Let me guess .patting kids down, searching niyad Aug 2023 #47
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