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Silent3

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26. Only the opinions of factory owners and workers are relevant to factory working conditions?
Sun Aug 27, 2023, 12:39 PM
Aug 2023

Last edited Sun Aug 27, 2023, 02:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Non-factory-owning office workers should just shut up and mind their own business?

Your position about men's opinions on abortion also inherently presumes a particular, and uncommon, pro-choice position as the foregone resolution of the argument.

Part of the debate over abortion, whether you like it or care to acknowledge it, is whether or not the unborn have any value whatsoever, and deserve any protection under the law whatsoever.

That part of the debate, obviously, cannot be represented by the unborn. Men are just as qualified as women to weigh in on that part of the debate.

Also, whether you like it or not, the rough consensus in the US, including the positions of women, does recognize a growing degree of legal personhood for the unborn as a pregnancy progresses. Very few people support condition-free third-trimester abortions. Yes, I know those cases are rare, but how to handle rare cases is often one of the most fraught aspects of the law, and is always a valid thing to consider when creating laws.

I'm personally a strongly pro-choice man. I also totally understand how disgusting it is when we see images of committees and legislatures debating abortion without a woman in sight.

I'm not, however, going to nullify the value of my own opinion to satisfy a common pro-choice talking point. Of all of the pro-choice arguments out there, the "no womb, no say" is the weakest of them, and the one least likely to convince opponents.

Do you also tell women who've had hysterectomies, or who are otherwise infertile, to butt the hell out of the abortion argument?

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Can you come up with any other rights multigraincracker Aug 2023 #1
She probably can rpannier Aug 2023 #7
it's still a religious belief azureblue Aug 2023 #11
See Numbers 5:11-31 multigraincracker Aug 2023 #14
it's a religious delusion Skittles Aug 2023 #19
I really like a simple "No" response to bullshit. betsuni Aug 2023 #2
While most abortions do happen within this limit, even having a limit masks a very important fact. Lonestarblue Aug 2023 #3
+1000! ShazzieB Aug 2023 #8
From this, I surmise two absolutes*: jaxexpat Aug 2023 #9
Whether you believe it is irrelevant or not, all genders vote. According to Pew research, 39% of JohnSJ Aug 2023 #13
Huh? Is it an official policy that women's reproductive options...... jaxexpat Aug 2023 #15
I said nothing of the sort, and you are offended by my comment that NO ONE should dictate decisions JohnSJ Aug 2023 #16
Since people with uteri come in both pro-choice and anti-choice varieties... Silent3 Aug 2023 #21
Of course that's true. It is step one toward a progressive society. jaxexpat Aug 2023 #22
"allow men their opinion" Silent3 Aug 2023 #23
Men's opinions on this issue should be irrelevant. jaxexpat Aug 2023 #24
Only the opinions of factory owners and workers are relevant to factory working conditions? Silent3 Aug 2023 #26
Kellyanne sucks, bigly. Joinfortmill Aug 2023 #4
And I've heard from reliable sources... rubbersole Aug 2023 #5
Here's an idea... Think. Again. Aug 2023 #6
Wow, that's cutting it close even for an ectopic pregnancy Farmer-Rick Aug 2023 #10
if abortion is murder Garion_55 Aug 2023 #12
The Exceptions are Hypocritical nt DontBelieveEastisEas Aug 2023 #18
Abortion is a medical procedure, not murder. At any time, it is part of the continuum of female medi Hekate Aug 2023 #20
I appreciate her daughter's wise Dem friends. JudyM Aug 2023 #17
So now Republicans want to negotiate reproductive healthcare? Buckeyeblue Aug 2023 #25
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