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DFW

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16. Being one of the fortunate ones, I feel for those who are caught in this rut
Mon Sep 11, 2023, 11:07 AM
Sep 2023

Last edited Mon Sep 11, 2023, 11:39 AM - Edit history (1)

My brother was almost there, as well. He had a good-paying job with a high security clearance in, let's say, "an area of northern Virginia," when all of a sudden, his employer decided to re-structure, and he was suddenly out of a job in his late 50s. He started eating through savings, trying to stave off drastic measures (like selling his house) as long as he could. He is frugal by nature, and had a cushion of a few years, but nowhere nearly enough to retire. Fortunately, his former employer realized that letting him go was a huge mistake, as the productivity in his department suffered noticeably, and they asked him back within 18 months. He just retired at age 67.

My wife was caught in a thankless job (social work), working for a corrupt employer (the Protestant church, Diakonisches Werk). Their purpose was to take in long-term, "hard-to-employ" unemployed people, re-train them if possible, and place them back into the workforce. They were corrupt in that the director had the unemployed do work for him at his house for free, and threatened to kick them out onto the street if they complained. He hated my wife and her co-worker for being "too expensive (i.e. they were there for over a decade, and got government mandated raises)," and for having good relations with the labor department with whom they coordinated job placement. When she had a serious operation at age 60, we sweated for a few days to see if it was cancer again (it wasn't--that came 4 years later), and then her employer offered her an "early retirement package." Even so, it left her without income or health insurance from age 61 to age 65, when her pension and her German version of Medicare kicked in. I was fortunate enough to be able to jump in and pay for her health insurance (about €6600, or $8000 at the time, a year), which was vital, as she got a deadly form of cancer at age 64. She had a drastic operation and a month in the hospital, but was that "one patient in ten thousand" that actually survived this form of cancer, known in German medical circles as "the murderer." Insurance paid for the whole $400,000 package. Her pension, now with an added disability, is about €1200 (about $1320) a month minus taxes. Fortunately, I still work, because in Germany, €1200 a month minus taxes doesn't go far. As the wife of an American citizen, she was also eligible for a small monthly social security benefit. We had absolutely no idea about this. Washington told us this, and we were amazed. They told us to apply, then put us through rings of paperwork and visits to the American consulate in Frankfurt, but she actually got it, which increased her (still taxable) monthly income to about €1900. We are taxed at about 50% all in here, and I am personally taxed at about 73% due to holes in the double taxation treaty (intended to limit individuals to 50% max--sure, I wish), but at least we are not starving.

I am still working full time (we will both be 72 next year), and have been working nonstop for the same outfit since I was recruited in 1975. My employer is American, my wife's employer was German. So, we really can't compare our exact situation to that of anyone we know, but we both know people at the paycheck-to-paycheck level, and have known some who don't even have that (what social worker hasn't?). Not everyone has a free ride by any stretch of the imagination, and some have it downright rough.

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Kick dalton99a Sep 2023 #1
I got hired at three different jobs PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #2
I worked steadily from '76 to 2006 LittleGirl Sep 2023 #5
Have you checked the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) site to see if it might have taken ARPad95 Sep 2023 #58
Oh, yes. The PBGC automatically contacts everyone getting the pension. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #72
I'm not opposed to 401Ks, but I have to quibble with one thing you said. ShazzieB Sep 2023 #84
I'm going to guess that your money did not go to zero. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #90
I didn't say it went to zero. ShazzieB Sep 2023 #99
I'm part of that 90 percent group. progressoid Sep 2023 #3
It does suck! LittleGirl Sep 2023 #4
Same. sybylla Sep 2023 #13
Speaking from experience, PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #74
Well, covid has other plans for me at the moment. sybylla Sep 2023 #78
So much free work that women are expected to do. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #80
Yeah, I'm old enough that getting in 35 years isn't possible. sybylla Sep 2023 #98
I totally get it. shrike3 Sep 2023 #6
I graduated in 81. Went to public Grad School in 83-84 during the recession... brooklynite Sep 2023 #7
Glad for you. shrike3 Sep 2023 #8
I have to ask, what is the purpose of this response? I may be reading it wrong, but it sounds KPN Sep 2023 #11
I believe you are correct. nt sheshe2 Sep 2023 #60
I agree as well. ShazzieB Sep 2023 #86
What's Public Grad School???? Farmer-Rick Sep 2023 #25
Hunter College - City University of New York brooklynite Sep 2023 #28
Few in the 80s had that opportunity Warpy Sep 2023 #38
Your last sentence! 🎯 eom LittleGirl Sep 2023 #46
Oh my, yes. n/t shrike3 Sep 2023 #62
In the same boat jmbar2 Sep 2023 #9
Excellent post! LittleGirl Sep 2023 #40
So true. I hate generational animosity and think it's misdirected. LisaM Sep 2023 #82
It is misdirected, for sure LittleGirl Sep 2023 #85
I studied the return on investment to education when i went back to school jmbar2 Sep 2023 #88
Amen to this! ShazzieB Sep 2023 #89
Thank you for sharing your story jmbar2 Sep 2023 #97
Balanced females are commonly better traders than men AllBlue Sep 2023 #91
Thank you for introducing yourself! jmbar2 Sep 2023 #96
Just remember AllBlue Sep 2023 #102
The tech world is brutal Fiendish Thingy Sep 2023 #10
Yep, Chi67 Sep 2023 #17
Yeah, the half life of tech knowledge is getting shorter and shorter getagrip_already Sep 2023 #19
Exactly Chi67 Sep 2023 #23
Cuz every year, skuls are churning out grads with all the latest buzzword skillz... getagrip_already Sep 2023 #27
Same Chi67 Sep 2023 #29
Retirement delayed maliaSmith Sep 2023 #12
I'm glad that you were able to have that happen Quanto Magnus Sep 2023 #35
Staying in single job maliaSmith Sep 2023 #56
Balancing benefits, especially retirement, PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #73
I took the postal exam in 1979. LittleGirl Sep 2023 #47
nice story! I love happy endings Evolve Dammit Sep 2023 #70
Sorry This Happened RobinA Sep 2023 #14
I started college classes in LittleGirl Sep 2023 #48
The pandemic, followed by a family medical crisis, broke my retirement plan. LudwigPastorius Sep 2023 #15
I'm so sorry about your mother LittleGirl Sep 2023 #49
Thanks for your kind words. LudwigPastorius Sep 2023 #51
5,000 miles is a long way when LittleGirl Sep 2023 #52
Being one of the fortunate ones, I feel for those who are caught in this rut DFW Sep 2023 #16
The only thing I can say is that I cannot PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #75
And, I, for my part, cannot imagine retiring at 71. Different strokes for different folks. DFW Sep 2023 #94
I forgot one thing DFW Sep 2023 #103
Pensions, Social Security, and 401K Johnny2X2X Sep 2023 #18
My hubby is my advisor LittleGirl Sep 2023 #50
Those special accounts Johnny2X2X Sep 2023 #53
Excellent post for your 8000th! pandr32 Sep 2023 #20
Thank you! nt LittleGirl Sep 2023 #54
This post hits home with me. Kath2 Sep 2023 #21
Post removed Post removed Sep 2023 #34
I was laid off one week before my 50th birthday The Mouth Sep 2023 #22
County agency job maliaSmith Sep 2023 #36
My case exactly The Mouth Sep 2023 #37
One huge thing about government jobs The Mouth Sep 2023 #100
You're a tail-end boomer like myself. lambchopp59 Sep 2023 #24
I agree, tail-end boomers have far more in common with Gen X. eom shrike3 Sep 2023 #64
Boomers got sold a world of goods... haele Sep 2023 #26
+1 leftstreet Sep 2023 #30
Excellent points ! You've obviously seen it. Nt LittleGirl Sep 2023 #55
Nixon and Reagan were "Silent Generation", as were all their staff and cohorts. haele Sep 2023 #69
During the late 60s and early 70s LittleGirl Sep 2023 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2023 #61
I never bought the goods SouthernDem4ever Sep 2023 #66
I'm the same age as you and can affirm everything you posted. yardwork Sep 2023 #31
I am stunned by how many boomers were laid off LittleGirl Sep 2023 #41
And back then women were screwed regarding Social Security LiberalFighter Sep 2023 #32
Exactly. Spot on. eom LittleGirl Sep 2023 #42
Just want to make one correction ... aggiesal Sep 2023 #33
Thank you. I loathe the rightwing propaganda Voltaire2 Sep 2023 #93
Correct. roamer65 Sep 2023 #101
Do you think you would have been better off staying in Germany? SYFROYH Sep 2023 #39
As an American LittleGirl Sep 2023 #44
Pretty much my wife's experience Old Crank Sep 2023 #43
Even that doesn't guarantee anything LittleGirl Sep 2023 #45
Pretty much all IT Old Crank Sep 2023 #77
What a great thread - thanks for putting this out there LittleGirl! erronis Sep 2023 #57
Thank you LittleGirl Sep 2023 #95
Be a Teacher masmdu Sep 2023 #59
Women are the most likely to take time away from their careers TexasBushwhacker Sep 2023 #63
my story Grasswire2 Sep 2023 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2023 #67
Kick and kick and kick... Backseat Driver Sep 2023 #68
So true. Very little empathy for women who have to reinvent themselves after 50 flamingdem Sep 2023 #71
Oh, Dear God, THIS!!! calimary Sep 2023 #76
I understand your pain. I didn't have it because I was financially astute when my company Wonder Why Sep 2023 #79
You/ve made a lot of wonderful points. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #81
The US Bureau of Labor Statistics shows older workers have the fastest rate of growth in Ziggysmom Sep 2023 #87
Started working right outta college in 1975 just as a few enlightened men started considering women calimary Sep 2023 #92
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