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Wonder Why

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79. I understand your pain. I didn't have it because I was financially astute when my company
Mon Sep 11, 2023, 10:32 PM
Sep 2023

dropped its pension plan in the late '80s. There are advantages to 401Ks/IRAs over pensions to the extent that you don't lose anything if you go from company to company to move up the ladder rather than stay with a company that doesn't value you. But we look back at our ancestors and saw the good of pensions, never realizing that they could end and so never considered how we would handle it.

Financial planning is never really taught in schools - not to the level that one needs to manage investments. That's for sure.

My wife and I married when I was a poorly paid serviceman so we learned to live on less as our parents did, hers and mine. So we lived on what we had. Shortly after we married, she asked me if I minded if she did no work. I agreed but it was her decision. When I left the service and my income jumped dramatically, we continued to live at a much lower level than we could have with the income I was making. I saw many making much less than I living to and beyond their means. Instead we saved so when the pension ended and it went to a 401K, we maxed out my contributions. Moreover, I knew to invest at that age aggressively, but safely in growing but reliable funds with no following trends. Sure I missed out on the dotcom bubble but was not hurt on the burst. Same in 2008. Then a few years ago, I lost 20% but stayed the course and got it back.

We always paid cash for cars and held them until they got too old which allowed us to save for the next one.

She didn't have enough FICA credits to get SS so I bugged her to work just enough to qualify. When she turned 62, she took her $200/month and saved it. When I turned 662, 2 years later, she started taking her (now higher) spousal SS. We still live mostly on social security because we paid off the house 15 years ago in cash and still live modestly.

One son is like I am and he and his wife live modestly, maxing out their retirement funds. The other struck it rich, sold his company and he and his wife live off the money but spend it all but not more than he earns on investments.

The three biggest problems for which people are ill prepared are, first, thinking far ahead when young - deciding whether to enjoy life now or have enough later with too little education/acuity on how to do it. Secondly, as they approach or are in retirement with a lump sum in their retirement funds, how to use it properly so it lasts if they do and they enjoy it while they do if the don't live as long as they hoped. Third, how to pay for fast rising medical costs as their health deteriorates. Hard to make those kind of decisions when you have never been educated on it, encouraged to think about it, and the future is one big unknown.

Lastly, for women who may go in an out of the business world with the huge disadvantage of sexism in pay and opportunity, and who get married and are dependent on their husbands for the financial lifeline, a huge fourth problem of a broken marriage or a financially unfair one can ruin everything. I promised my wife I would always share everything with her if we ever parted and she would get everything if I died. Now, after 51 years of marriage, it is not an issue to us.

We have been very lucky in love but I do empathize with those without the financial education/acuity. So many things could have turned out different for us but they did not.

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Kick dalton99a Sep 2023 #1
I got hired at three different jobs PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #2
I worked steadily from '76 to 2006 LittleGirl Sep 2023 #5
Have you checked the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) site to see if it might have taken ARPad95 Sep 2023 #58
Oh, yes. The PBGC automatically contacts everyone getting the pension. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #72
I'm not opposed to 401Ks, but I have to quibble with one thing you said. ShazzieB Sep 2023 #84
I'm going to guess that your money did not go to zero. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #90
I didn't say it went to zero. ShazzieB Sep 2023 #99
I'm part of that 90 percent group. progressoid Sep 2023 #3
It does suck! LittleGirl Sep 2023 #4
Same. sybylla Sep 2023 #13
Speaking from experience, PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #74
Well, covid has other plans for me at the moment. sybylla Sep 2023 #78
So much free work that women are expected to do. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #80
Yeah, I'm old enough that getting in 35 years isn't possible. sybylla Sep 2023 #98
I totally get it. shrike3 Sep 2023 #6
I graduated in 81. Went to public Grad School in 83-84 during the recession... brooklynite Sep 2023 #7
Glad for you. shrike3 Sep 2023 #8
I have to ask, what is the purpose of this response? I may be reading it wrong, but it sounds KPN Sep 2023 #11
I believe you are correct. nt sheshe2 Sep 2023 #60
I agree as well. ShazzieB Sep 2023 #86
What's Public Grad School???? Farmer-Rick Sep 2023 #25
Hunter College - City University of New York brooklynite Sep 2023 #28
Few in the 80s had that opportunity Warpy Sep 2023 #38
Your last sentence! 🎯 eom LittleGirl Sep 2023 #46
Oh my, yes. n/t shrike3 Sep 2023 #62
In the same boat jmbar2 Sep 2023 #9
Excellent post! LittleGirl Sep 2023 #40
So true. I hate generational animosity and think it's misdirected. LisaM Sep 2023 #82
It is misdirected, for sure LittleGirl Sep 2023 #85
I studied the return on investment to education when i went back to school jmbar2 Sep 2023 #88
Amen to this! ShazzieB Sep 2023 #89
Thank you for sharing your story jmbar2 Sep 2023 #97
Balanced females are commonly better traders than men AllBlue Sep 2023 #91
Thank you for introducing yourself! jmbar2 Sep 2023 #96
Just remember AllBlue Sep 2023 #102
The tech world is brutal Fiendish Thingy Sep 2023 #10
Yep, Chi67 Sep 2023 #17
Yeah, the half life of tech knowledge is getting shorter and shorter getagrip_already Sep 2023 #19
Exactly Chi67 Sep 2023 #23
Cuz every year, skuls are churning out grads with all the latest buzzword skillz... getagrip_already Sep 2023 #27
Same Chi67 Sep 2023 #29
Retirement delayed maliaSmith Sep 2023 #12
I'm glad that you were able to have that happen Quanto Magnus Sep 2023 #35
Staying in single job maliaSmith Sep 2023 #56
Balancing benefits, especially retirement, PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #73
I took the postal exam in 1979. LittleGirl Sep 2023 #47
nice story! I love happy endings Evolve Dammit Sep 2023 #70
Sorry This Happened RobinA Sep 2023 #14
I started college classes in LittleGirl Sep 2023 #48
The pandemic, followed by a family medical crisis, broke my retirement plan. LudwigPastorius Sep 2023 #15
I'm so sorry about your mother LittleGirl Sep 2023 #49
Thanks for your kind words. LudwigPastorius Sep 2023 #51
5,000 miles is a long way when LittleGirl Sep 2023 #52
Being one of the fortunate ones, I feel for those who are caught in this rut DFW Sep 2023 #16
The only thing I can say is that I cannot PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #75
And, I, for my part, cannot imagine retiring at 71. Different strokes for different folks. DFW Sep 2023 #94
I forgot one thing DFW Sep 2023 #103
Pensions, Social Security, and 401K Johnny2X2X Sep 2023 #18
My hubby is my advisor LittleGirl Sep 2023 #50
Those special accounts Johnny2X2X Sep 2023 #53
Excellent post for your 8000th! pandr32 Sep 2023 #20
Thank you! nt LittleGirl Sep 2023 #54
This post hits home with me. Kath2 Sep 2023 #21
Post removed Post removed Sep 2023 #34
I was laid off one week before my 50th birthday The Mouth Sep 2023 #22
County agency job maliaSmith Sep 2023 #36
My case exactly The Mouth Sep 2023 #37
One huge thing about government jobs The Mouth Sep 2023 #100
You're a tail-end boomer like myself. lambchopp59 Sep 2023 #24
I agree, tail-end boomers have far more in common with Gen X. eom shrike3 Sep 2023 #64
Boomers got sold a world of goods... haele Sep 2023 #26
+1 leftstreet Sep 2023 #30
Excellent points ! You've obviously seen it. Nt LittleGirl Sep 2023 #55
Nixon and Reagan were "Silent Generation", as were all their staff and cohorts. haele Sep 2023 #69
During the late 60s and early 70s LittleGirl Sep 2023 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2023 #61
I never bought the goods SouthernDem4ever Sep 2023 #66
I'm the same age as you and can affirm everything you posted. yardwork Sep 2023 #31
I am stunned by how many boomers were laid off LittleGirl Sep 2023 #41
And back then women were screwed regarding Social Security LiberalFighter Sep 2023 #32
Exactly. Spot on. eom LittleGirl Sep 2023 #42
Just want to make one correction ... aggiesal Sep 2023 #33
Thank you. I loathe the rightwing propaganda Voltaire2 Sep 2023 #93
Correct. roamer65 Sep 2023 #101
Do you think you would have been better off staying in Germany? SYFROYH Sep 2023 #39
As an American LittleGirl Sep 2023 #44
Pretty much my wife's experience Old Crank Sep 2023 #43
Even that doesn't guarantee anything LittleGirl Sep 2023 #45
Pretty much all IT Old Crank Sep 2023 #77
What a great thread - thanks for putting this out there LittleGirl! erronis Sep 2023 #57
Thank you LittleGirl Sep 2023 #95
Be a Teacher masmdu Sep 2023 #59
Women are the most likely to take time away from their careers TexasBushwhacker Sep 2023 #63
my story Grasswire2 Sep 2023 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2023 #67
Kick and kick and kick... Backseat Driver Sep 2023 #68
So true. Very little empathy for women who have to reinvent themselves after 50 flamingdem Sep 2023 #71
Oh, Dear God, THIS!!! calimary Sep 2023 #76
I understand your pain. I didn't have it because I was financially astute when my company Wonder Why Sep 2023 #79
You/ve made a lot of wonderful points. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2023 #81
The US Bureau of Labor Statistics shows older workers have the fastest rate of growth in Ziggysmom Sep 2023 #87
Started working right outta college in 1975 just as a few enlightened men started considering women calimary Sep 2023 #92
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