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In reply to the discussion: I hate cigarettes, hate cigarette smoke, and wish no one smoked them... [View all]hunter
(40,624 posts)100. As they used to say about Latex, Nickel, Formaldehyde, etc. etc.
The common definition of allergen is broader then the one you demand.
And even by strict definition, the sources you cite use weasel words like "not proven to be..."
Sure, it's difficult to find proteins in cigarette smoke, but one can still be allergic to it because of substances in the smoke that damage existing proteins in the body, turning them into true allergens. That's how the poison oak reaction works:
Toxins interacting with proteins
Another non-food protein reaction, urushiol-induced contact dermatitis, originates after contact with poison ivy, eastern poison oak, western poison oak, or poison sumac. Urushiol, which is not itself a protein, acts as a hapten and chemically reacts with, binds to, and changes the shape of integral membrane proteins on exposed skin cells. The immune system does not recognize the affected cells as normal parts of the body, causing a T-cell-mediated immune response. Of these poisonous plants, sumac is the most virulent. The resulting dermatological response to the reaction between urushiol and membrane proteins includes redness, swelling, papules, vesicles, blisters, and streaking.
Estimates vary on the percentage of the population that will have an immune system response. Approximately 25 percent of the population will have a strong allergic response to urushiol. In general, approximately 80 percent to 90 percent of adults will develop a rash if they are exposed to .0050 milligrams (7.7×10−5 gr) of purified urushiol, but some people are so sensitive that it takes only a molecular trace on the skin to initiate an allergic reaction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allergy
Without knowing the mechanisms exactly, it's still a very good bet that tobacco smoke is both an irritant and an allergen.
There is much "common knowledge" about tobacco smoke that simply isn't true and it's spread by the tobacco industry and by those who want to deny the damage they do by their second hand smoke.
Claiming "Smoke is not an allergen and doesn't contain any allergens" simply isn't true.
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I hate cigarettes, hate cigarette smoke, and wish no one smoked them... [View all]
TheWraith
Jan 2012
OP
I've been annoying non-christians for years trying to save their souls from burning/death
The Straight Story
Jan 2012
#6
Smoke is not an allergen and doesn't contain any allergens. sarcasm tag not needed. eom
TransitJohn
Jan 2012
#96
True, but then again, alcohol prohibitionists certainly considered "social costs" of alcohol abuse
markpkessinger
Jan 2012
#107
My downstairs neighbors smoke and so I can't open my door or front windows in the summer.
Guy Montag
Jan 2012
#24
Would you feel the same if your neighbor was a sculptor who put a smelting operation in his backyard
Texas Lawyer
Jan 2012
#26
Nicotine is an almost entirely benign drug, it's the tar and other shit that kills.
Lance_Boyle
Jan 2012
#55
Like I said, I don't really understand the whole e-cig thing. As such I haven't taken a position
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#66
As well as driving, which isn't a vice, but still causes most of our actual air pollution
Lionessa
Jan 2012
#36
We all piss in our water supplies. Have been doing it for a million years.
Wistful Vista
Jan 2012
#67
What do we do about lawn mowers that emit millions of times more pollutants than cigs?
Wistful Vista
Jan 2012
#69
Lawn mowers are generally not allowed where cigarette restrictions are in place.
onehandle
Jan 2012
#73
Ah, I see. Those emissions from internal combustion engine do not travel through the air.
Wistful Vista
Jan 2012
#75
I certainly don't support banning them. We have enough unenforceable laws as it is.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#46
As long as it's illegal to attempt suicide, there's no rational basis for cigarettes being legal
theAntiRand
Jan 2012
#49
A gunshot to the head is on whole different level of risky behavior. Most smokers don't die
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#92
anti smoking propaganda was paid for by Big Pharma to sell nicotine patches
divide_and_rule
Jan 2012
#57
I'm on my way to your home with an open container filled with radioactive isotopes.
onehandle
Jan 2012
#74
... and I'm an adult with free will who can choose what he wants to do with his life...
harmonicon
Jan 2012
#102
The smokers would be in the bar and/or the smoking area if the crusade was called off.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#93