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In reply to the discussion: Fixing the migrant bussing problem? [View all]In It to Win It
(12,242 posts)42. Several points for me
I'll take them one at a time...
I agree that the way it's being done is an absolute disaster, but even in that, I cannot fault Abbott, and do you know why? In the same way that is is not Texas's job to handle immigration for the United States of America, it is not Greg Abbott's job to deal with the 1.2 million migrants who cross every year INTO TEXAS and that the federal government is currently doing nothing about.
It's not Texas' job to handle immigration, but by putting these people on a bus, he's taking it upon himself to handle it by gathering them and putting them on a bus. If the only goal is just to get them out of the state, there are closer states he could've push them to, which I'm sure would be cheaper for Texas.
If it's not Texas' job, it's not New York's job either. It's not California's job either. It's not the DC mayor's job either. The same applies to all the other states that these buses are going to. He's pawning the problem to other governors, and it seems we've established it's not the problem of other governors of other states either, like it's not for Abbott.
If it's not the job of a governor to deal with the immigration problem (and I agree that it's not), the least he could do is coordinate with other governors because it's not their problem either. Those other governors could very well put the migrants on a bus back to Texas, because it's not their problem. It's the federal government's problem so I guess we wouldn't fault the other governors for sending them back to Texas if they wanted to.
So if your argument is that the process is not orderly? Take that up with the Biden administration. They should be providing the buses. They should have those buses lined up in every single border town, organized, coordinated with the major cities across the nation, taking these people out of the border towns the moment the cross and spreading them out to every state in the nation. This is NOT GREG ABBOTT's job. He is only doing it right now because Texas has been shouldering the burden alone for too long and he wanted to make the problem more visible.
My argument is that the bussing is disorderly because that's by design. My argument is that Abbott didn't want it to be orderly for the receiving states.
As you stated, it's not Abbott's problem. Again, it's also not the problem of the governors of the states these migrants are going to. Therefore, at least, his administration could coordinate with the administrations of other state governors. It's not a problem that Abbott asked for, but it is a problem that he's forced to deal with because he's a governor of a border state. It comes with the territory of being a governor of a border state. Governing is being a grown up and coming to the table with a solution, whether it be permanent or temporary. If the solution means bringing other governors to the table, then be an adult and do that.
Sure, he may have wanted to make the problem more visible. He also wanted to take the opportunity to pick a partisan fight, and that is what I think is his first goal before anything else. I, in no way, believe that if Trump were reelected and were faced with the same border problem that Abbott would have bussed immigrants to other states. He would not have dared to make the border problem look worse than it already is under Trump.
He could have made the problem more visible by not random dumping buses of people with zero coordination with other states, who are in the same position he's in - not tasked with the responsibility of enforcing federal immigration law.
Immigration is a NATIONAL issue. Not a Texas issue.
All the more reason, he should have coordinate with other governors. Abbott is not saying it's a national issue. He's saying immigration is a "Democrat" issue "so all of you blue-state governors should deal with it. Here you go..."
BTW, I am no Greg Abbott fan. I can't stand the guy. But on this one tiny thing, he is not entirely wrong. And most Texans I know feel that he is not entirely wrong for finally making the rest of the country recognize what Texas and other border states have been dealing with alone for years.
And yet he's sending buses to California, another border state. I wonder why... it certainly isn't because he wants California to understand how a border state feels.
I live in Florida. I spent my entire life here in South Florida. It's much harder to get here as opposed to the land border that Texas has. My entire life immigrants have been coming to Florida by the boat loads from many countries. I've been surrounded by people my entire life that share the sentiment of immigrants just showing up on our shores by the boat loads, and they let them stay, and they take our jobs. I literally hear this to this day. I remember it getting really bad that it was on the news every day. Everyday, more boats with more immigrants. I get it to some degree. I'm sure its worse for Texans.
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Screw that. Texas should be required to keep them and house, feed, etc, them ALL
Seeking Serenity
Sep 2023
#2
Fine. If Texas is stubbornly refusing to come around to the RIGHT-THINKING side
Seeking Serenity
Sep 2023
#15
Wrong. I don't want them used by Goppers to embarrass or target Democrats (n/t)
Seeking Serenity
Sep 2023
#70
Do you have ANY idea how bad posts like yours in this thread make Democrats look?
highplainsdem
Sep 2023
#39
I think you are quite right that Democrats across the country should be
DemocraticPatriot
Sep 2023
#45
It is not a Texas-Mexico border. It is a U.S.-Mexico border. In fact, the border is federal property
dalton99a
Sep 2023
#19
I hold with great conviction the problem are imaginary red and black lines on map
Torchlight
Sep 2023
#64