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In It to Win It

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42. Several points for me
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 08:31 PM
Sep 2023

I'll take them one at a time...

I agree that the way it's being done is an absolute disaster, but even in that, I cannot fault Abbott, and do you know why? In the same way that is is not Texas's job to handle immigration for the United States of America, it is not Greg Abbott's job to deal with the 1.2 million migrants who cross every year INTO TEXAS and that the federal government is currently doing nothing about.

It's not Texas' job to handle immigration, but by putting these people on a bus, he's taking it upon himself to handle it by gathering them and putting them on a bus. If the only goal is just to get them out of the state, there are closer states he could've push them to, which I'm sure would be cheaper for Texas.

If it's not Texas' job, it's not New York's job either. It's not California's job either. It's not the DC mayor's job either. The same applies to all the other states that these buses are going to. He's pawning the problem to other governors, and it seems we've established it's not the problem of other governors of other states either, like it's not for Abbott.

If it's not the job of a governor to deal with the immigration problem (and I agree that it's not), the least he could do is coordinate with other governors because it's not their problem either. Those other governors could very well put the migrants on a bus back to Texas, because it's not their problem. It's the federal government's problem so I guess we wouldn't fault the other governors for sending them back to Texas if they wanted to.

So if your argument is that the process is not orderly? Take that up with the Biden administration. They should be providing the buses. They should have those buses lined up in every single border town, organized, coordinated with the major cities across the nation, taking these people out of the border towns the moment the cross and spreading them out to every state in the nation. This is NOT GREG ABBOTT's job. He is only doing it right now because Texas has been shouldering the burden alone for too long and he wanted to make the problem more visible.

My argument is that the bussing is disorderly because that's by design. My argument is that Abbott didn't want it to be orderly for the receiving states.

As you stated, it's not Abbott's problem. Again, it's also not the problem of the governors of the states these migrants are going to. Therefore, at least, his administration could coordinate with the administrations of other state governors. It's not a problem that Abbott asked for, but it is a problem that he's forced to deal with because he's a governor of a border state. It comes with the territory of being a governor of a border state. Governing is being a grown up and coming to the table with a solution, whether it be permanent or temporary. If the solution means bringing other governors to the table, then be an adult and do that.

Sure, he may have wanted to make the problem more visible. He also wanted to take the opportunity to pick a partisan fight, and that is what I think is his first goal before anything else. I, in no way, believe that if Trump were reelected and were faced with the same border problem that Abbott would have bussed immigrants to other states. He would not have dared to make the border problem look worse than it already is under Trump.

He could have made the problem more visible by not random dumping buses of people with zero coordination with other states, who are in the same position he's in - not tasked with the responsibility of enforcing federal immigration law.

Immigration is a NATIONAL issue. Not a Texas issue.

All the more reason, he should have coordinate with other governors. Abbott is not saying it's a national issue. He's saying immigration is a "Democrat" issue "so all of you blue-state governors should deal with it. Here you go..."

BTW, I am no Greg Abbott fan. I can't stand the guy. But on this one tiny thing, he is not entirely wrong. And most Texans I know feel that he is not entirely wrong for finally making the rest of the country recognize what Texas and other border states have been dealing with alone for years.

And yet he's sending buses to California, another border state. I wonder why... it certainly isn't because he wants California to understand how a border state feels.

I live in Florida. I spent my entire life here in South Florida. It's much harder to get here as opposed to the land border that Texas has. My entire life immigrants have been coming to Florida by the boat loads from many countries. I've been surrounded by people my entire life that share the sentiment of immigrants just showing up on our shores by the boat loads, and they let them stay, and they take our jobs. I literally hear this to this day. I remember it getting really bad that it was on the news every day. Everyday, more boats with more immigrants. I get it to some degree. I'm sure its worse for Texans.

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No one should be "mad" at Texas pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #1
Screw that. Texas should be required to keep them and house, feed, etc, them ALL Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #2
And here I thought immigration was a national issue ripcord Sep 2023 #3
How very NIMBY n/t SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2023 #4
It's not NIMBYism Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #5
Laughable SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2023 #6
So you WANT Texas' problem to become Democratic states' problem? Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #7
It's not a Texas problem SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2023 #8
You aren't understanding ripcord Sep 2023 #9
And the national policy should be Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #10
Why? SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2023 #11
Because that's where they're coming in Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #12
How are our families... stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #29
That's where the problem is. pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #14
Fine. If Texas is stubbornly refusing to come around to the RIGHT-THINKING side Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #15
Again, immigration is a national issue pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #17
+1 n/t area51 Sep 2023 #18
"NIMBYism isn't going to work." Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #20
The hypocrisy is stunning n/t SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2023 #21
Is it, though? Sympthsical Sep 2023 #62
It is NIMBYism, plain and simple pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #24
Well, okay, friend Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #25
You mean... stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #28
I meant that when Mayor Eric Adams is on video saying refugees Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #30
Do your attacks... stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #31
I'm trying to prevent Democrats from being attacked Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #32
You are... stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #33
I'm not demonising anyone but Greg Abbott and all Goppers generally Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #35
Do you... stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #36
Yes. (?) Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #38
Democrats in Texas are already being attacked by the migrant population. TexasTowelie Sep 2023 #52
+1 n/t ChazII Sep 2023 #65
Texas Hispanics intelpug Sep 2023 #57
My wife often rides the bus. stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #67
It's not Texas' problem pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #13
Maybe you could start Zeitghost Sep 2023 #41
I DON'T have a problem with immigrants. Far from it Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #50
And yet you seem to agree with the Gov. of Texas Zeitghost Sep 2023 #69
Wrong. I don't want them used by Goppers to embarrass or target Democrats (n/t) Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #70
Even if Zeitghost Sep 2023 #71
Do you have ANY idea how bad posts like yours in this thread make Democrats look? highplainsdem Sep 2023 #39
Rant on. TexasTowelie Sep 2023 #51
We can be mad at Abbott for acting like a whiny little ***** In It to Win It Sep 2023 #26
I agree that the way it's being done pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #34
Several points for me In It to Win It Sep 2023 #42
Here are the numbers pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #53
You're ignoring the point entirely but okay In It to Win It Sep 2023 #56
And this is the problem pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #59
You can guess how that conversation would go In It to Win It Sep 2023 #63
Greg Abbott ought to be schmeared underneath the wheels of a bus... DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #47
they pass through Texas treestar Sep 2023 #40
I think you are quite right that Democrats across the country should be DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #45
War against Mexico intelpug Sep 2023 #58
People like to say they are pro-immigrant Sympthsical Sep 2023 #60
Process immigrants faster. Freethinker65 Sep 2023 #16
It is not a Texas-Mexico border. It is a U.S.-Mexico border. In fact, the border is federal property dalton99a Sep 2023 #19
A good start? Pantagruel Sep 2023 #22
Fixing the migrant problem Mad_Machine76 Sep 2023 #23
+1000000000000000000 In It to Win It Sep 2023 #43
Geeze! What a Train Wreck of a Thread! stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #27
You can't move people who don't want to go Zeitghost Sep 2023 #37
"the results seem to be all positive."...... DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #46
Are they better off in CA/NY or not? Zeitghost Sep 2023 #68
The bussing is not the problem. KentuckyWoman Sep 2023 #44
Yes, "inhumane treatment is a problem"... or rather, THE PROBLEM DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #48
The federal government KentuckyWoman Sep 2023 #49
Whose responsibility is this? pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #54
I really don't snowybirdie Sep 2023 #55
Treating people.. stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #61
I hold with great conviction the problem are imaginary red and black lines on map Torchlight Sep 2023 #64
Or stop them from coming here Polybius Sep 2023 #66
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