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In It to Win It

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63. You can guess how that conversation would go
Sun Sep 24, 2023, 08:11 PM
Sep 2023

but that's all you can do is guess, because he didn't try.

He didn't want to try. That's what makes it a ridiculous political stunt.

When California and Washington needs help with their wildfires, they ask for it.
When Florida and other gulf coast states needs help with its hurricanes and floods, they ask for it. When these same states need help with search and rescues and evacuations for these events, they ask for it.
When midwest states needs help with their tornadoes, they ask for it.

In these scenarios, they ask the federal government and they ask other states. The states will provide assistance if they're able. Other states will spare some National Guard troops if they can; spare some firefighters if they can; and whatever else if they can.

Many states, both red and blue, set up programs for resettling Ukrainian refugees, and something similar could be set up for Venezuelan asylum-seekers (assuming these are mostly Venezuelans) to help relieve Texas of a good chunk of them. Abbott is a fairly prominent politician, and if he had tried some amount of diplomacy rather than the partisan tit-for-tat he was looking for, he might have found some political allies. He wasn't looking for allies. He was looking for a fight.

Maybe, I'm naive but I have to think that politicians want the job because they believe they can solve problems for the good of their state and perhaps the country.

If he actually tried to be an effective politician, they might have assisted Abbott to whatever degree they could have. We'll never know though because he didn't want to. He wanted to grab headlines and talk shit to score political points.

The thing of it is, Greg Abbott doesn't get a warning phone call before 1.2 million migrants show up on his doorstep. No one asks his permission if it's okay. No one asks if he's okay if they show up in Texas.

This is supposed to justify him making it the problem of other state governors? Just because no one asked him, that means Abbott should perpetuate that onto other state governors? As I've said before, it's not their problem.

I'm sure Abbott would pout and complain if New York took a problem that was specific to NY and just shipped it to Texas. If they were wanting to be petty, they could have easily put them back on a bus to Texas... but these migrants were dropped on their doorstep and they're not shipping them to another state, like they could have done. They chose not to forcefully push the problem onto other governors, even ones they hate.

I still think the appropriate person to be coordinating that is someone in the federal government--like don't we have someone overseeing the southern border?

There is but we also have asylum laws that are pretty generous that only Congress could change. I'm not limiting the blame to the current immigration spike, but all of the past spikes as well. I believe the appropriate entity that is to blame here is Congress. I think the immigration problem is symptom of the dysfunction in Congress. Our entire immigration system, from top to bottom, is completely inadequate to handle today's problem, and for many reasons, Congress does nothing to address it. A president can only kick the can to the next president, but Congress can reconfigure the system entirely.

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No one should be "mad" at Texas pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #1
Screw that. Texas should be required to keep them and house, feed, etc, them ALL Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #2
And here I thought immigration was a national issue ripcord Sep 2023 #3
How very NIMBY n/t SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2023 #4
It's not NIMBYism Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #5
Laughable SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2023 #6
So you WANT Texas' problem to become Democratic states' problem? Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #7
It's not a Texas problem SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2023 #8
You aren't understanding ripcord Sep 2023 #9
And the national policy should be Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #10
Why? SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2023 #11
Because that's where they're coming in Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #12
How are our families... stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #29
That's where the problem is. pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #14
Fine. If Texas is stubbornly refusing to come around to the RIGHT-THINKING side Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #15
Again, immigration is a national issue pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #17
+1 n/t area51 Sep 2023 #18
"NIMBYism isn't going to work." Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #20
The hypocrisy is stunning n/t SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2023 #21
Is it, though? Sympthsical Sep 2023 #62
It is NIMBYism, plain and simple pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #24
Well, okay, friend Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #25
You mean... stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #28
I meant that when Mayor Eric Adams is on video saying refugees Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #30
Do your attacks... stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #31
I'm trying to prevent Democrats from being attacked Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #32
You are... stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #33
I'm not demonising anyone but Greg Abbott and all Goppers generally Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #35
Do you... stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #36
Yes. (?) Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #38
Democrats in Texas are already being attacked by the migrant population. TexasTowelie Sep 2023 #52
+1 n/t ChazII Sep 2023 #65
Texas Hispanics intelpug Sep 2023 #57
My wife often rides the bus. stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #67
It's not Texas' problem pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #13
Maybe you could start Zeitghost Sep 2023 #41
I DON'T have a problem with immigrants. Far from it Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #50
And yet you seem to agree with the Gov. of Texas Zeitghost Sep 2023 #69
Wrong. I don't want them used by Goppers to embarrass or target Democrats (n/t) Seeking Serenity Sep 2023 #70
Even if Zeitghost Sep 2023 #71
Do you have ANY idea how bad posts like yours in this thread make Democrats look? highplainsdem Sep 2023 #39
Rant on. TexasTowelie Sep 2023 #51
We can be mad at Abbott for acting like a whiny little ***** In It to Win It Sep 2023 #26
I agree that the way it's being done pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #34
Several points for me In It to Win It Sep 2023 #42
Here are the numbers pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #53
You're ignoring the point entirely but okay In It to Win It Sep 2023 #56
And this is the problem pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #59
You can guess how that conversation would go In It to Win It Sep 2023 #63
Greg Abbott ought to be schmeared underneath the wheels of a bus... DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #47
they pass through Texas treestar Sep 2023 #40
I think you are quite right that Democrats across the country should be DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #45
War against Mexico intelpug Sep 2023 #58
People like to say they are pro-immigrant Sympthsical Sep 2023 #60
Process immigrants faster. Freethinker65 Sep 2023 #16
It is not a Texas-Mexico border. It is a U.S.-Mexico border. In fact, the border is federal property dalton99a Sep 2023 #19
A good start? Pantagruel Sep 2023 #22
Fixing the migrant problem Mad_Machine76 Sep 2023 #23
+1000000000000000000 In It to Win It Sep 2023 #43
Geeze! What a Train Wreck of a Thread! stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #27
You can't move people who don't want to go Zeitghost Sep 2023 #37
"the results seem to be all positive."...... DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #46
Are they better off in CA/NY or not? Zeitghost Sep 2023 #68
The bussing is not the problem. KentuckyWoman Sep 2023 #44
Yes, "inhumane treatment is a problem"... or rather, THE PROBLEM DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #48
The federal government KentuckyWoman Sep 2023 #49
Whose responsibility is this? pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #54
I really don't snowybirdie Sep 2023 #55
Treating people.. stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #61
I hold with great conviction the problem are imaginary red and black lines on map Torchlight Sep 2023 #64
Or stop them from coming here Polybius Sep 2023 #66
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