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maxrandb

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Wed Sep 27, 2023, 08:01 AM Sep 2023

In 1981, I was a full time stock clerk at an Ohio Big Bear grocery store making 12.60 an hour [View all]

Time and a half for overtime, double-time for Sundays and Holidays, got 8 hours of pay on my birthday (whether I worked that day, or not) and got two weeks of paid vacation each year.

I started part-time at Big Bear at age 16, so by 1981, I had been there 6 years. $12.60 an hour was at the top of hourly wages.

I was a high school graduate.

You have to understand. At that time, this was a job you could buy a modest home with. It was a job that would place you solidly in the Middle Class. You could raise a small family with this job.

We were not Union, but our closest competition, Kroger, was. We understood that the reason our wages and benefits were so good, was because of the Unionized Kroger workers.

Some calculators I have used showed that $12.60 an hour, plus overtime and holiday pay in 1981, would equal $96K a year in today's money.

Next time you are at your local grocery store, ask one of the Stock Clerks if they are making $96K a year?

I know there are some variables I am not looking at, but, my story is a pretty good example of what has happened to wages and the Middle Class since the 1980s.

I am not saying that the 1970s-80s was an age of enlightenment, but this country has been valuing wealth over labor for the better part of 4 decades now.

I am not smart enough to have the answers, but the way we have gone since 1980 is not sustainable.

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I remember Big Bear MichMan Sep 2023 #1
They sold out in 2004 Maeve Sep 2023 #5
I shopped there for years and the one in Grandview. sinkingfeeling Sep 2023 #22
No! And it's a typical 1980s story maxrandb Sep 2023 #8
Penn Traffic leveraged a buyout and straddled Big Bear with debt maxrandb Sep 2023 #20
This is the pattern of private equity - they have already destroyed 2 hospitals for low-income Stargazer99 Sep 2023 #49
That was good money back then LiberaBlueDem Sep 2023 #2
That was excellent money back then. marble falls Sep 2023 #14
Agree that was high wages Golfnbrew Sep 2023 #90
It's more than I was making, and I figured I was doing pretty good. Midnight Writer Sep 2023 #71
It was good money, the federal minimum wage was. 3.35 per hour in 1981. nt ShazamIam Sep 2023 #79
minimum wage was 3.35 in 1990 RANDYWILDMAN Sep 2023 #123
Here is the .gov chart, it was 3.80 in 1990, link below ShazamIam Sep 2023 #135
I checked my records it was 89 and then oregon went to 4.75 in 1990 RANDYWILDMAN Sep 2023 #136
I retired 15 years ago and was looking for something to kill time. That was before I joined the 3Hotdogs Sep 2023 #3
Hah NJCher Sep 2023 #133
They have since been bought out by Acme. Quality is still good. 3Hotdogs Sep 2023 #134
In 1989, I was on Shore Duty following 5 years of Sea Duty maxrandb Oct 2023 #137
My teachers' union was powerful. When I retired, we were the second highest paid district in the 3Hotdogs Oct 2023 #138
Where we shopped when I was a kid in Columbus. Floyd R. Turbo Sep 2023 #4
Love the fastback Mustang! SilasSouleII Sep 2023 #67
It is sweet! Floyd R. Turbo Sep 2023 #69
I remember that sign; must have been the last thing to go! Backseat Driver Sep 2023 #113
Cub foods is long gone! True Blue American Sep 2023 #117
That store was on High around 6th. Unfortunately the ride was not mine. Floyd R. Turbo Sep 2023 #118
My kid lived nearby there when she finally fledged. Backseat Driver Sep 2023 #131
Finance capitalism is not sustainable sanatanadharma Sep 2023 #6
👍 Joinfortmill Sep 2023 #33
The French in the 1700,s had a damn good solution to the problem Stargazer99 Sep 2023 #52
Its a lesson that is obviously ignored by those in power. bullimiami Sep 2023 #75
Multiply your story MOMFUDSKI Sep 2023 #7
I can relate to your story. William769 Sep 2023 #9
As I recall Diamond_Dog Sep 2023 #10
Just wait until robotics and artificial intelligence,... magicarpet Sep 2023 #11
A win-win, as far as elites are concerned peppertree Sep 2023 #15
Yup Joinfortmill Sep 2023 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Joinfortmill Sep 2023 #35
+1 n/t area51 Sep 2023 #41
Excellent post. Should be an OP on its own LittleGirl Sep 2023 #46
You got it-I keep telling them to wake up! Stargazer99 Sep 2023 #55
My old job technical translator/interpreter is all but gone thanks to AI. GreenWave Sep 2023 #99
In a way, my job was also made obsolete by advanced technology. Backseat Driver Sep 2023 #130
Republicans oppose minimum wage increases at every point. scarletlib Sep 2023 #12
It's on sinema and manchin Marthe48 Sep 2023 #29
Thank Ronald Reagan and the wealth is good people. marble falls Sep 2023 #13
Sadly Even 45 years later nobody has changed his bills ha signed. jimfields33 Sep 2023 #28
Where did Reagan get those bills to sign? former9thward Sep 2023 #30
Yes I know. The democratic house. The senate went republican for part of the 8 years. jimfields33 Sep 2023 #31
Probably Republican congress majority Stargazer99 Sep 2023 #57
There was never a Republican majority in the House during Reagan. former9thward Sep 2023 #68
👍 Joinfortmill Sep 2023 #36
We can blame ourselves maxrandb Sep 2023 #50
Ronald Reagan is probably in hell... hunter Sep 2023 #100
I wonder how many SouthernDem4ever Sep 2023 #16
They are still doing it today. n/t progressoid Sep 2023 #80
This is it, exactly! yardwork Sep 2023 #17
Knock-on effect orthoclad Sep 2023 #18
Current wealth/income disparity is unsustainable. Let's resolve it peaceably by taxing the ultrarich Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2023 #19
Amen Joinfortmill Sep 2023 #21
Damn, I was a college graduate beginning my accounting career in 1981 chicoescuela Sep 2023 #23
There was a Big Bear on Neil Ave. in Victorian Village... ECL213 Sep 2023 #24
Oh my Joinfortmill Sep 2023 #37
I think that's the store I started at. maxrandb Sep 2023 #44
That was the one I remember MichMan Sep 2023 #105
former Big Bear in The Plains rustbeltvoice Sep 2023 #25
At that time, I was making less than that as a licensed journeyman plumber. Chainfire Sep 2023 #26
A LOT of people make less than a licensed plumber! Those are great jobs. oldsoftie Sep 2023 #66
I was too immature for college so I joined the military. Chainfire Sep 2023 #77
There ya go! I've told SO many young people to join the military. oldsoftie Sep 2023 #98
Every solid college degree ought to come with a good trade job as a backup superpower. hunter Sep 2023 #116
They are gone now. Unfortunately, it wasn't survivable. jimfields33 Sep 2023 #27
$12.60 in 1981 would be about $42 today Sympthsical Sep 2023 #32
👍 Joinfortmill Sep 2023 #38
Just pulled up my SS report maxrandb Sep 2023 #43
If Safeway paid $90k/year Sympthsical Sep 2023 #45
Why? Johnny2X2X Sep 2023 #64
I was being a bit tongue in cheek Sympthsical Sep 2023 #65
Appreciate the response Johnny2X2X Sep 2023 #74
Just this morning, I read an article about concerns over the falling birth rate Attilatheblond Sep 2023 #107
This should be an OP RANDYWILDMAN Sep 2023 #128
Big Bear couldn't compete and ended up going bankrupt Kaleva Sep 2023 #39
Could not compete my a**. Private Equity bought Big Bear and loaded them with debt and then sold the Stargazer99 Sep 2023 #59
Truth! maspaha Sep 2023 #83
Why did they sell it? MichMan Sep 2023 #112
Really good post, Max. You are quite intelligent enough to have stated the basic problem. PatrickforB Sep 2023 #40
+1 leftstreet Sep 2023 #62
My grandfather never even attended high school Wednesdays Sep 2023 #42
And this is a major reason why there's going to be a SS shortfall. nt wiggs Sep 2023 #47
In 1984, I graduated from college with a bachelors degree ... aggiesal Sep 2023 #48
The well to do have figured out how to bleed the common man Stargazer99 Sep 2023 #60
1984 my rent was a little over $300 a month and gasoline was essentially free. hunter Sep 2023 #96
42 years later, Ohio's minimum wage is still only $10.10 per hour. OnlinePoker Sep 2023 #51
Not to brag, but my Birthday happens to be a National Holiday maxrandb Sep 2023 #58
In these times, that could likely put you in a higher tax bracket... Backseat Driver Sep 2023 #101
People today don't even know what Birthday pay was maxrandb Sep 2023 #104
and 1981 was the beginning of the end of such jobs themaguffin Sep 2023 #53
Republicans have forced through policies that have hollowed out the American middle class. 50 years Martin68 Sep 2023 #54
It's insane Johnny2X2X Sep 2023 #56
Yep, it's the perpetuation of the myth that people just need to work more maxrandb Sep 2023 #61
And Inflation is a misdirection Johnny2X2X Sep 2023 #63
This! ShazzieB Sep 2023 #114
This is a GREAT post! I hope some of the youngsters are reading this FakeNoose Sep 2023 #70
Granted, they were the days of high inflation, and everything was costing more and more, but... BobTheSubgenius Sep 2023 #72
Miners around here (southwest NM) Elessar Zappa Sep 2023 #73
Same is true of the jobs I once had. hunter Sep 2023 #124
same, at almost the exact same time period at Giant Food bigtree Sep 2023 #76
Americans can no longer simply work their way into the middle class. Yavin4 Sep 2023 #78
Reagan presidency started the downfall tiredtoo Sep 2023 #81
Without a doubt budkin Sep 2023 #88
Reagan's firing of PATCO air traffic controllers DENVERPOPS Sep 2023 #91
Awareness is the answer Sucha NastyWoman Sep 2023 #82
You're so Right! maspaha Sep 2023 #85
LOL, sometime after we moved to Columbus Backseat Driver Sep 2023 #111
I hear you on the money end and moniss Sep 2023 #84
Small town U.S.A. is a bloody hell for those who don't fit in. hunter Sep 2023 #126
As I said in my post moniss Sep 2023 #132
We worked at Big Bear, too! Alliepoo Sep 2023 #86
Corporate greed, a result of corporate philosophy. CaptainTruth Sep 2023 #87
'this country has been valuing wealth over labor for the better part of 4 decades now.' elleng Sep 2023 #89
Excellent post. I received union scale (teamsters) wages in 1975 and was thrilled (9.93 an hour). Evolve Dammit Sep 2023 #92
This is the best post of the day. llmart Sep 2023 #93
My brothers made twice a much as a butcher than he did as a teacher maxrandb Sep 2023 #106
My brother in law was a butcher in Fisher Fazios grocery store. llmart Sep 2023 #108
K&R stage left Sep 2023 #94
I was a lieutenant in the Army in 1981 COL Mustard Sep 2023 #95
I took about a 70% pay cut to join the Navy in 1981 maxrandb Sep 2023 #103
Yup, I certainly agree COL Mustard Sep 2023 #109
K&R ck4829 Sep 2023 #97
There was a time, in this country, when we believed in paying a living wage dlk Sep 2023 #102
in 1981 I got a job in a restaurant bussing tables I made 2.50 hr + tips hydrolastic Sep 2023 #120
There's no reason for top executives to make 300 or 400 times what they pay their workers dlk Sep 2023 #129
In the summer of '66 I worked as an apprentice electrician earning $2.75/hr. I was able to flashman13 Sep 2023 #110
I was making 3.35/hr in 81... WarGamer Sep 2023 #115
Did you have stock or a 401K? Snooper9 Sep 2023 #119
No, I left Big Bear at the end of 1981 to join the Navy maxrandb Sep 2023 #121
Thats a long time in the military, thanks for your service... Snooper9 Sep 2023 #122
I guess it bothers me, but like about 80% of us veterans maxrandb Sep 2023 #125
I worked at a union grocery store through high school & college as a part time cashier dflprincess Sep 2023 #127
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