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17. fiction
Fri Sep 29, 2023, 01:02 PM
Sep 2023

...and when did we start relying on DOJ to win elections?

Thing is, there's nothing more we should expect DOJ or Jack Smith will do, or should do to influence that vote. It's one thing for them to be mindful of an election cycle, and quite another for them to spend time adjusting their investigations and prosecutions to fit a election timetable. However sweet that would be for those of us who loath watching the Defendant out on the campaign trail, it's not what DOJ does, or should involve themselves in.

There's plenty of evidence that whatever disagreements FBI and DOJ engaged in at the beginning of the probe, it is ridiculous to assume, as Carol Leonnig made famous, that DOJ was either unconcerned with focusing their investigation on the Trump WH, or indifferent, or negligent, just based on the fact that there wasn't an official probe announced.

Nor has it been proven that some indictment of Trump in the first year of Garland's term would have resulted in an effective conviction, given that NONE of the major figures surrounding him were talking, and no incentive for them to talk at that time. What people assume was obvious from news reports doesn't necessarily translate into successful prosecutions.

It was Garland, by himself, who appointed Jack Smith over objections that he would slow the probe, and despite accusations that he was there to divert blame from Garland for declining to indict. Turned out, the man who appointed the SC that accelerated and broadened the probe is just as interested in prosecuting Trump as the rest of us.

All the cynicism, apathy, and fear about the pace of the DOJ probe has everything to do with a political process of elections which the legal process is dubiously accountable to (non-interference), or responsible for. Whatever delays Trump can engineer, the trial eventually will move forward to a verdict.

Always amazing to me how Fani Willis isn't tagged with the same nonsense about delay that DOJ is hampered with by pundits and other critics. Here we have an arguably less complex case moving at almost the same pace as the Smith probes. Always perplexed how the Fulton prosecution effort has escaped the same hyper concerns about delay in relationship to the election. Especially with any conviction there effectively insulated from the presidential pardon process.

How about these ill-infomed, gaslighting critics use their expertise to remind readers just how complex these types of cases can be? Tell them how moneyed defendants are able to drag the process out, most often regardless of what the prosecution does. Don't just feed the cynicism.

For some reason, there's a belief out here, or the faint of a belief, that running against a multi-indicted, past election loser requires a DOJ prosecution to be successful. When did we start relying on DOJ to win elections?

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Some Tidbits On Merrick Garland [View all] gab13by13 Sep 2023 OP
Can't you see he's playing mikeysnot Sep 2023 #1
Unrec!!! JohnSJ Sep 2023 #2
why bother ? msfiddlestix Sep 2023 #22
For the same reason that the some seem obsessed with posting anti Garland posts on a JohnSJ Sep 2023 #25
"Trash this thread" is your friend. GoCubsGo Sep 2023 #38
This ongoing vendetta against Garland is getting so predictable. wnylib Sep 2023 #3
Thank you... agingdem Sep 2023 #12
The Garland bashing is so persistent and meaningless that wnylib Sep 2023 #15
truth. bigtree Sep 2023 #18
They secretly want a Bill-Barr type hatchet man to do for Biden what Barr did for Trump AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2023 #32
you see no harm done with the actions listed in the op? msfiddlestix Sep 2023 #24
Should we criticize President Biden for not replacing Weiss when he became President? What should JohnSJ Sep 2023 #26
Really? That's your argument? Straw Man. and you know it. msfiddlestix Sep 2023 #28
No it isn't. The reason President Biden didn't replace Weiss was because he was currently JohnSJ Sep 2023 #29
I wonder why the persistence of Garland bashers on DU wnylib Sep 2023 #33
But, but, but, he playing eleventy dimensional chess... onecaliberal Sep 2023 #4
What do they say when people can't debate? gab13by13 Sep 2023 #5
What do they call people who write inflammatory posts and demand others debate them? AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2023 #7
we had a term that used to be popular here bigtree Sep 2023 #19
That wasn't what I was thinking of, but it applies... AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2023 #31
Where do you get this from? EndlessWire Sep 2023 #21
Where is this rule about ceasing prosecutions? AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2023 #30
You do realize you are responding to your own OP? JohnSJ Sep 2023 #27
It's on the messenger to cite sources for the messenger's opinions. Beastly Boy Sep 2023 #34
once again, Garland bashing without ANY corroborating proof bigtree Sep 2023 #6
6. If it weren't for the J6 Committee forcing his hand, DOJ would have let Trump skate for J6. 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2023 #8
+1 That's what I think. Earth-shine Sep 2023 #9
If it were not for Cassidy Hutchinson's J6 testimony gab13by13 Sep 2023 #10
This. Also, trump announcing his 2024 run forced garland. onecaliberal Sep 2023 #11
fiction bigtree Sep 2023 #17
this is a lie bigtree Sep 2023 #20
completely false, again without any receipts bigtree Sep 2023 #14
if it wasn't for Merrick Garland "fleshing out" the agingdem Sep 2023 #16
How so? Can you for once be more specific than that? Beastly Boy Sep 2023 #35
but of course you have always stopdiggin Sep 2023 #13
Yes. He demonstrated he would serve the office Captain Zero Sep 2023 #23
"Merrick Garland truly is showing Magats that he is not partisan against them." As he should. Beastly Boy Sep 2023 #36
He has made missteps edhopper Sep 2023 #37
Without sourcing or providing any context to the "missteps"? Beastly Boy Sep 2023 #39
The OP edhopper Sep 2023 #40
No he was not. He was pretty clear on what he thought they were. Beastly Boy Sep 2023 #41
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