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44. Kouzoukas is on the board of Clover Health
Fri Sep 29, 2023, 05:43 PM
Sep 2023

During his personal testimony about his experience and background, Kouzoukas neglected to mention that. When asked by Sen. Warren what he's paid by Clover Health to sit on their board, he dodged, dissembled and ducked before finally, grudgingly, admitting that he gets $100,000 a year from Clover.

Warren then asked Kouzoukas if he was going to resign from Clover. More dodging, dissembling and ducking ensued, and Warren finally just said that it didn't sound like Kouzoukas was going to resign his $100,000 a year post.

Warren then pointed out that being a trustee of Medicare Advantage that Kouzoukas would be making decisions about all kinds of things that would affect Clover Health and its bottom line. Kouzoukas tried more dodging, dissembling and ducking with a good bit of willful ignorance thrown in for good measure, but Warren wasn't having it:

Let’s be clear. If Mr. Kouzoukas ignores the fraud, he helps Clover. If he focuses on the fraud, he hurts Clover. The conflict of interest here is so big and so pervasive that there is no action that Mr. Kouzoukas can take that doesn’t either help or hurt Clover, the company that pays him $100,000 a year to sit on its board and watch out for the company. And there is no waiver that can change that fact. This kind of conflict is shocking and it is deeply unethical. Not a single other trustee has ever received compensation from an insurance company while acting as a Medicare trustee.


This nomination needs to be voted down.

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Yeah, why listen to anyone with Medicare Advantage connections? Just 51% of beneficiaries choose MA. Silent Type Sep 2023 #1
I'm really not sure what you're saying. muriel_volestrangler Sep 2023 #2
I'm saying MA was passed by Congress. 51% of beneficiaries voluntarily choose it. Silent Type Sep 2023 #4
OK, only the last sentence is relevant to this thread. muriel_volestrangler Sep 2023 #8
Like it or not, Medicare Advantage is likely the future of Medicare. Why not appoint someone with Silent Type Sep 2023 #12
Because he intends to take money from people making a profit from it muriel_volestrangler Sep 2023 #14
No, I don't. Neither does Biden. Silent Type Sep 2023 #20
I suspect that... 2naSalit Sep 2023 #77
Great, he has experience. So we should just turn a blind eye to his conflict of interest? progressoid Sep 2023 #16
Do you know anything about boards for companies that contract with Medicare? They include patients, Silent Type Sep 2023 #21
So if appointed, where will his allegiance lie? progressoid Sep 2023 #31
Senator Warren should talk to Biden and CMS head, rather than doing a hit job like she did in 2016 Silent Type Sep 2023 #35
Or Biden could appoint someone WITHOUT a blatant conflict of interest progressoid Sep 2023 #52
Exactly, we have to watch our own kacekwl Sep 2023 #61
Yep. progressoid Sep 2023 #76
You really seem to have an axe to grind here. eggplant Sep 2023 #53
Post removed Post removed Sep 2023 #58
If they (Biden?) can make him give up his board seat, they should have talked to him about it. progressoid Sep 2023 #66
She doesn't need to talk to anyone. He nominee needs to Phoenix61 Sep 2023 #90
Warren nails it, as usual JoseBalow Sep 2023 #56
Yes. She and Katie Porter are terrific. whathehell Sep 2023 #91
Fiduciary responsibilities, one is loyalty JanMichael Sep 2023 #63
Medicare Advantage is a scam Envirogal Sep 2023 #33
Yeah, Medicare Advantage originally signed by President Clinton was "sneaky." It was called Part C. Silent Type Sep 2023 #41
Medicare Modernization Act of 2003 Envirogal Sep 2023 #86
First of all you are not receiving your Medicare benefits moniss Sep 2023 #95
Yes, it is. And word is getting out. People are leaving MA. ancianita Sep 2023 #64
The most obvious thing I know about Medicare Advantage: airplaneman Sep 2023 #82
Hear, hear peppertree Sep 2023 #34
According to a Washington Post reporter, the trustee appointments are traditionally bipartisan muriel_volestrangler Sep 2023 #99
Oh good. A Trump guy. progressoid Sep 2023 #100
Because his loyalty is to his company. Do you see what is happening to working people? onecaliberal Sep 2023 #79
Not addressing the relevance to the thread SouthernDem4ever Sep 2023 #94
it's not simple connections-- he appears to have a major conflict of interest LymphocyteLover Sep 2023 #15
Call up Biden. Apparently, he sees the writing on the wall. Silent Type Sep 2023 #23
Deflection is a favorite tool. First address the issues that are raised by Sen. Warren. erronis Sep 2023 #27
I did. To improve MA -- chosen by over half Medicare beneficiaries -- you have to have people who Silent Type Sep 2023 #71
You still avoid addressing the conflict of interest while promoting MA. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2023 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2023 #70
Yet, people think there is something wrong with you. I get. Take care. Silent Type Sep 2023 #72
"There are lots of other DUers with Medicare Advantage too." pazzyanne Sep 2023 #97
A very slim majority.. whathehell Sep 2023 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2023 #96
For a campaign, perhaps whathehell Sep 2023 #98
I don't understand. Medicare Advantage is in place of Medicare? I thought it was a supplement? Srkdqltr Sep 2023 #3
Medicare beneficiaries can choose traditional Medicare or Medicare Advantage. 51% selected MA Silent Type Sep 2023 #6
It's A Replacement ProfessorGAC Sep 2023 #11
Thank you. I have Medicare and Blue Cross. That is how it worked when I retired in the last Srkdqltr Sep 2023 #13
Me too. Medicare and a Blue Cross Supplemental Plan G gristy Sep 2023 #38
Professor, I suspect you can afford the $300/month for a supplement and drug plan. Believe it or not Silent Type Sep 2023 #26
Not Sure Your Point ProfessorGAC Sep 2023 #28
How much are you spending for supplement and drugs? Is that amount the difference in you having a Silent Type Sep 2023 #32
That's None Of Your Business ProfessorGAC Sep 2023 #37
Not on this issue, and the misinformation is staggering. Silent Type Sep 2023 #43
And, You're One Of The Sources ProfessorGAC Sep 2023 #65
Professor, no I'm saying until we get something better, Med Advantage is the best poor people are Silent Type Sep 2023 #67
Not necessarily so Desert grandma Sep 2023 #85
Well the Rebl2 Sep 2023 #42
You're Agreeing With Me ProfessorGAC Sep 2023 #69
Let me make it clearer Wonder Why Sep 2023 #55
And? ProfessorGAC Sep 2023 #62
I didn't question your decision, your, intelligence or your knowledge but calling Wonder Why Sep 2023 #74
No, it's essentially replacing Medicare and is a stealth attack by the insurance industry to Lonestarblue Sep 2023 #18
The worst thing ever was allowing insurance to be for profit. Srkdqltr Sep 2023 #22
Well, the insurance "industry" by definition is for profit. I think you mean health insurance. erronis Sep 2023 #36
Another Reply Having Nothing To Do With What I Wrote ProfessorGAC Sep 2023 #30
MA is a scam, imo Deuxcents Sep 2023 #5
They just did get serious by appointing this guy. Like it or not, MA is not going away. Silent Type Sep 2023 #7
I know it's not going away Deuxcents Sep 2023 #9
yes it is: Medicare Advantage Is a Massive Scam Celerity Sep 2023 #10
Those ads! They should hire Cheeto for their next one. peppertree Sep 2023 #17
the new scam advert I just saw on the MSNBC stream I watch claims the MA may well pay a decent part Celerity Sep 2023 #25
Oh, boy - it's like a race to the bottom between them, and the Reverse Mortgage fraudsters peppertree Sep 2023 #39
I hate those fucking commercials. EOM. progressoid Sep 2023 #19
Scam started by President Clinton. I enjoy you insights Celerity, but you live where people don't Silent Type Sep 2023 #49
No one here is badmouthing Clinton or Biden.. whathehell Sep 2023 #92
Thanks so much for posting rurallib Sep 2023 #24
He didn't screw it up. He knew what he was doing. Silent Type Sep 2023 #29
I read your posts above. You make it seem like rurallib Sep 2023 #40
Well over half Medicare beneficiaries have chosen it. Glad people think they are smarter than those Silent Type Sep 2023 #45
Shill much? erronis Sep 2023 #48
Facts. I don't have MA, but if I lived in a big city, I'd sure consider it. Silent Type Sep 2023 #51
Nice shot. rurallib Sep 2023 #57
Actually, as I age I will probably have to go to MA. Again, it amazes me that over half Medicare Silent Type Sep 2023 #59
But it won't get better for the customer rurallib Sep 2023 #68
Please explain your point a bit better. erronis Sep 2023 #46
I'm saying, Biden knows what he is doing. Improving Medicare Adv will do more good for the poor Silent Type Sep 2023 #50
Privatization helps the poor??? Envirogal Sep 2023 #87
He might know what he is doing Fiendish Thingy Sep 2023 #54
He worked with CMS/Medicare before getting on the Board. If he doesn't resign, they can make him. Silent Type Sep 2023 #60
Kouzoukas is on the board of Clover Health gratuitous Sep 2023 #44
MA is the juncture of taxpayer funding and corporate monetization of healthcare. jaxexpat Sep 2023 #47
As is traditional Medicare. It's locally administered by insurance companies, private insurers make Silent Type Sep 2023 #73
What the hell are you talking about. Medicare is not administered by insurance companies. erronis Sep 2023 #81
How could there possibly be any confusion about Medicare with all the facts we have, eh? jaxexpat Sep 2023 #83
can't be trusted during testimony?🤨sure as fuck can't be trusted with our best imterests!🖕 bringthePaine Sep 2023 #75
Yes, they should have done a better job vetting this guy Warpy Sep 2023 #78
Hat tip to Sen. Warren Tom Yossarian Joad Sep 2023 #80
The Senator is doing her job mountain grammy Sep 2023 #84
K&R for, perfect Subject title UTUSN Sep 2023 #88
We were directed to Medicare Advantage after losing our PPO Medicare coverage through SAG. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2023 #93
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