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In reply to the discussion: It wasn't the union that killed the Twinkie. It was vulture capitalism. [View all]TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)15. Hostess employees agree...
I found the following post in the comments section of the WSJ:
12:10 am November 13, 2012
St Louis wrote :
Unions are not what is wrong with Hostess. Management is what is wrong. My husband has worked for WonderBread for 13 years. Explain to me how 4 mgrs for 5 employees makes sense? Tell me how the company goes into bankruptcy but can pay someone $1million to fix the company. Those that are not involved with the company can say anything. Its always the Unions fault. If you only knew what was really going on within that company.This statement is exactly what has happened. St Louis has been rumored to close for at least 3 yrs now. I would like to see you go to work tomorrow and say OK to a any paycut. At some point you have to stick up for yourself. I am a Hostess employee. Hostess stopped our pension contributions a yr & a half ago. Then they gave the top execs pay raises of 30-80%. They offered new contracts: no pension payments (no retirement plan at all for union employees, but company management still gets contributions to their retirement plans) for another 2 & 1/2 yrs, and then a 75% reduction in pension when they do start paying into it again; we have to pay an ADDITIONAL $200/ mo for health insurance; They took away our last cost of living raise; they gave us an 8% wage cut on top of that; they are outsourcing all of the office work to Manilla; they are closing 12 plants. THIS WAS ALL PART OF THE CONTRACT THAT WENT INTO EFFECT LAST MONTH!! The 3 bakery closures were not due to the labor strike, they were locations on the closure list. Hostess used the opportunity provided by the strike to close them w/o having to pay severance or give notice. Hostess will be closing more plants whether the strike is resolved or not. We were told that if both major unions did not accept the new contracts, Hostess would IMMEDIATELT liquidate and we would all lose our jobs. Teamsters accepted (barely), Bakers did not. Hostess didnt liquidate. We were told that if there was any kind of a strike, Hostess would IMMEDIATELY liquidate & we would lose our jobs. Bakers went on strike, Hostess didnt liquidate. The Seattle bakery was literally 100 years old. They have been talking about closing it for years. Of the 3 plants closed- the only one on official strike was Seattle. St. Louis & Cincinnati were not on strike. Its frustrating for Hostess employees working their butts off and taking all these cuts, to still see Management driving luxury rental cars, flying all over the county at $1,000/ ticket, having meetings in Vegas, spending $200/ night on hotels, $75 on ONE meal for ONE person, golf tournaments at $1,000/ea, throwing away MASSIVE amounts of product because they dont do their jobs right, the list goes on. We keep taking cuts and they keep wasting money. We took cuts a few yrs ago (during the LAST bankruptcy) and the money was supposed to be used to update equipment, facilities, 50 yr old route trucks; new product development, etc. None of that ever happened. They wasted the money and then came back to us for more. Where are their cuts and sacrifices? I wish people out there would realize whats going on. 6 CEOs in the past few yrs?? Doesnt anyone see whats wrong w/ this picture? Theres no one there anymore who truly cares about this company. Its nobodys baby. Nobody w/ the power to make decisions loves it. They just care about the money. Its heartbreaking. I dont blame any of the employees for finally saying theyve had enough.
St Louis wrote :
Unions are not what is wrong with Hostess. Management is what is wrong. My husband has worked for WonderBread for 13 years. Explain to me how 4 mgrs for 5 employees makes sense? Tell me how the company goes into bankruptcy but can pay someone $1million to fix the company. Those that are not involved with the company can say anything. Its always the Unions fault. If you only knew what was really going on within that company.This statement is exactly what has happened. St Louis has been rumored to close for at least 3 yrs now. I would like to see you go to work tomorrow and say OK to a any paycut. At some point you have to stick up for yourself. I am a Hostess employee. Hostess stopped our pension contributions a yr & a half ago. Then they gave the top execs pay raises of 30-80%. They offered new contracts: no pension payments (no retirement plan at all for union employees, but company management still gets contributions to their retirement plans) for another 2 & 1/2 yrs, and then a 75% reduction in pension when they do start paying into it again; we have to pay an ADDITIONAL $200/ mo for health insurance; They took away our last cost of living raise; they gave us an 8% wage cut on top of that; they are outsourcing all of the office work to Manilla; they are closing 12 plants. THIS WAS ALL PART OF THE CONTRACT THAT WENT INTO EFFECT LAST MONTH!! The 3 bakery closures were not due to the labor strike, they were locations on the closure list. Hostess used the opportunity provided by the strike to close them w/o having to pay severance or give notice. Hostess will be closing more plants whether the strike is resolved or not. We were told that if both major unions did not accept the new contracts, Hostess would IMMEDIATELT liquidate and we would all lose our jobs. Teamsters accepted (barely), Bakers did not. Hostess didnt liquidate. We were told that if there was any kind of a strike, Hostess would IMMEDIATELY liquidate & we would lose our jobs. Bakers went on strike, Hostess didnt liquidate. The Seattle bakery was literally 100 years old. They have been talking about closing it for years. Of the 3 plants closed- the only one on official strike was Seattle. St. Louis & Cincinnati were not on strike. Its frustrating for Hostess employees working their butts off and taking all these cuts, to still see Management driving luxury rental cars, flying all over the county at $1,000/ ticket, having meetings in Vegas, spending $200/ night on hotels, $75 on ONE meal for ONE person, golf tournaments at $1,000/ea, throwing away MASSIVE amounts of product because they dont do their jobs right, the list goes on. We keep taking cuts and they keep wasting money. We took cuts a few yrs ago (during the LAST bankruptcy) and the money was supposed to be used to update equipment, facilities, 50 yr old route trucks; new product development, etc. None of that ever happened. They wasted the money and then came back to us for more. Where are their cuts and sacrifices? I wish people out there would realize whats going on. 6 CEOs in the past few yrs?? Doesnt anyone see whats wrong w/ this picture? Theres no one there anymore who truly cares about this company. Its nobodys baby. Nobody w/ the power to make decisions loves it. They just care about the money. Its heartbreaking. I dont blame any of the employees for finally saying theyve had enough.
http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2012/11/12/twinkies-maker-hostess-announces-shutdown-have-we-heard-this-before/tab/comments/
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It wasn't the union that killed the Twinkie. It was vulture capitalism. [View all]
Pab Sungenis
Nov 2012
OP
So how bad do you suppose it will have to get before enough people wake up
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#27
Never question those better than you. Knuckle under. Take what they give you.
Ikonoklast
Nov 2012
#37
Figure 'all in'; pension contributions, health care, paid vacation time, etc.
Ikonoklast
Nov 2012
#25
Hey! I think your point and the information you uncovered is crucial to this discussion. It's all
Squinch
Nov 2012
#86
kr. Lots of "Democrats" are happy to have hostess go under so people won't eat
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#11
Amazing how certain posters suddenly get "concerned" about nutrition when union issues come up. n/t
backscatter712
Nov 2012
#44
the competitor that will probably step in is bimbo, who also owns entermans (sp?).
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#87
they can move it to mexico, or a lot of it. or to canada. or even to china, actually.
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#92
+1. the more i read, the more i believe this is a case of those in charge deliberately
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#17
If only we'd known. If only someone had been warning us about the consequences of
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#23
Exactly. And it looks like FTI was brought in to liquidate it, sell off brands and property
suffragette
Nov 2012
#28
average revenue since 2003 = about $3 billion a year. In 2003 they made a profit
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#45
no need for sorry but yeah, it's not about their product line at all -- except the looters
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#49
They went into bankruptcy 9/04, the very next year after they made nearly $30 million
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#51
"Republican or Democrat, a crook is a crook." = +1. Collins also = Citibank.
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#46
A "King Kong" allusion? "Oh no, it wasn't the airplanes. It was beauty killed the beast."
WinkyDink
Nov 2012
#60
On His Death Bed, "Inventor" of the Twinkie Claimed It Wasn't World's Ultimate Junk Food
triplepoint
Nov 2012
#61