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Sekhmets Daughter

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45. Yes I know a non sequitur when I see one...I was simply taking the discussion to the next step....

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 03:55 PM

Nov 2012

They don't pay the same percentage, however those who pay the maximum pay considerably more in actual dollars....In my opinion the percentage argument is simply bullshit. But you're correct, I should not have taken any short cuts.

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79 million boomer$ turning 65, 170 million by 2030 leftstreet Nov 2012 #1

170 million what by 2030? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #3

170 million people leftstreet Nov 2012 #8

170 million total people collecting Medicare by 2030? Half the population? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #12

It's a projection, just like pop increase numbers n/t leftstreet Nov 2012 #19

I'm not buying it... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #21

In millions: 48 currently, add 78 boomers, add 12 disabled leftstreet Nov 2012 #35

75 million boomers born between 1946 and 1964 Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #36

Either way leftstreet Nov 2012 #44

THe silly thing is they just aren't patient...WE CAN'T TAKE IT WITH US! HereSince1628 Nov 2012 #4

the people telling you it is a problem; told you it went bankrupt in 1998 Johonny Nov 2012 #2

I thought it was 1995 Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #58

I chose other because while Social Security is fine it could be much better with one small change Bjorn Against Nov 2012 #5

They would then get much higher Social Security checks upon retirement, Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #6

Even so having more money flow through the Social Security system would strengthen the program Bjorn Against Nov 2012 #7

they already get benefits like anyone else who pays in and are taxed on them because HiPointDem Nov 2012 #46

Social Security is already welfare and it always has been welfare Bjorn Against Nov 2012 #49

bullshit. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #50

It is wefare, it falls under the general welfare clause of the Constitution Bjorn Against Nov 2012 #52

that's not what welfare means in the common tongue. and you know it. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #53

I am using the word correctly, it is the right-wing frame that is incorrect Bjorn Against Nov 2012 #54

nope. the general "welfare" doesn't = a "welfare program". "welfare" has HiPointDem Nov 2012 #55

Read the definition I posted again, it is much more broad than AFDC and TANF Bjorn Against Nov 2012 #56

They don't. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #22

As a percentage of their income yes they do. Bjorn Against Nov 2012 #23

Everyone pays the same percentage.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #24

Because there is a cap on contributions, "Everyone" DOES NOT pay "the same percentage." AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #30

What part of 'percentage' do you not understand? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #32

Are you pretending to not know what you obviously do know? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #38

You are forgetting that there is also a cap on BENEFITS.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #40

First, an insincere pretense at ignorance. Now, a red herring. You can do better than that. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #41

A red herring? Really? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #42

Yes, a red herring. Let me explain: AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #43

Yes I know a non sequitur when I see one...I was simply taking the discussion to the next step.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #45

There are numerous Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #25

Amen! JustAnotherGen Nov 2012 #33

And what about 2naSalit Nov 2012 #37

It would be risky to remove the incentive for the rich to stick with social security. yardwork Nov 2012 #57

Social Security isn't a problem. Hatchling Nov 2012 #9

Kudos for getting to the core of this issue. Big Blue Marble Nov 2012 #26

"Why don't more people get the ruse?" In part, it's due to the MSM failure to explain this. It can AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #31

Everyone on DU should hear this Thom Hartmann piece on the subject: Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #10

SS is only a problem if we keep cutting the payroll taxes... kentuck Nov 2012 #11

Its bullshit. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #13

It is a scam and it is Wallstreets plan lovuian Nov 2012 #14

Yep. That's all this is. reformist2 Nov 2012 #18

The only "problem" with SS... 99Forever Nov 2012 #15

Wall Street wants their hands on it, so they can siphon off 1% per year in "management fees"... reformist2 Nov 2012 #16

It's a scam being foisted upon us by Corporate Dems... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #17

Currently a steaming pile. I might become a real problem if we don't change the economic Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #20

Exactly Where is our $ & What is it being used for? fredamae Nov 2012 #27

The Social Security funds are being used to finance the military-industial complex. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #47

I voted other as I do think some improvements can be done. Kaleva Nov 2012 #28

The key is put people back to work and the entitlement programs INdemo Nov 2012 #29

Right now, truth in DU Politics Forum: Rep. Alan Grayson: "This is An Artificial Crisis, to Zorra Nov 2012 #34

Yet another, woo me with science Nov 2012 #39

12.4% ... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #48

Actually Bernie Sanders addressed just this today on the Thom Hartmann show. Cleita Nov 2012 #51