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GiaGiovanni

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70. The teacher is NOT a horrible person or even an abusive one. It's a peer teaching methodology that
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:05 PM
Nov 2012

is causing the problems here.

The teacher, Mrs. Summer Larsen, has a blog here. You can see student videos of her reading students on this web page. She seems to be a very devoted 4th grade teacher.

The marker incident (above) is part of a common teaching methodology involving the student-centered classroom and peer decision-making. The teacher talks with the students about an issue--in this case, reading scores--and the student come up with class incentives or, in this case, disincentives. There is nothing unusual about this except in the choice of disincentive.

The AP article makes it clear that the students themselves chose the disincentive (punishment).

Recent education "theory" (and I use the term very loosely) has been pushing peer approaches since the 70s and 80s. Those of us who have taken writing classes in the past 30-40 years surely remember "peer review", a fairly useless process in which students are asked to comment on each others' high school or college compositions. If you've gone through this, you remember just how valuable most of your peers' advice was.

Peer related approaches have become more prevalent and more sophisticated. Group decisions involving incentives, disincentives, classroom management, and even choice of topics have become fair game as students are expected to direct more and more of the learning process and the teacher is supposed to erase him or herself from it. Ultimately, school becomes a behavior laboratory, not an academic learning process.

When you buy in to all this student centered/peer oriented "theory", you are required to follow through with student decisions that are made. This, of course, seems the height of silliness to a more traditional teacher who runs the classroom based on the idea that s/he knows better than a bunch of 9-year-olds. Really wise teachers understand that 9-year olds are not innocents and not all well-intentioned. They understand that manipulative students and cliques can hijack any peer process. They also understand that 4th graders are not always up on the consequences of their actions.

A more traditional teacher would never have let this kind of thing happen. But, the trend is against the traditional "teacher-cented" classroom (the one in which the teacher has the authority, decides on the academic topic to be covered, and stops cliques in their tracks.) The future is "student centered learning" in which the teacher is a mere facilitator and students "guide" their own learning using computer software (which essentially means that the software guides their learning.)

Before you tar and feather this teacher, understand that she is not operating in a vacuum. Parents need to be more aware of education "theory" coming from schools of education, and understand how this can directly affect their children.

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Oh noes! Turbineguy Nov 2012 #1
You pretty much failed in the same way that this teacher did. Skidmore Nov 2012 #6
Summer Larson Celebration Nov 2012 #2
How awful! Rhiannon12866 Nov 2012 #3
Holy crap gollygee Nov 2012 #4
Yup. PotatoChip Nov 2012 #12
you'd feel like your baby was bullied elehhhhna Nov 2012 #27
This is completely disgusting!!! Klukie Nov 2012 #5
What, was she out of dunce caps? Hekate Nov 2012 #7
The wrath from this mother if that happened to my child backtoblue Nov 2012 #8
And encouraging bullying Downwinder Nov 2012 #34
I'm with you aroach Nov 2012 #36
Yup. Barack_America Nov 2012 #81
What in the hell is wrong with this disgusting teacher? CoffeeCat Nov 2012 #9
She should not be teaching children. Period. This is not acceptable. Arkansas Granny Nov 2012 #10
The children had a choice, miss recess or get scribbled on siligut Nov 2012 #11
But to a child--missing recess is very concrete and almost measurable to them... CoffeeCat Nov 2012 #14
hey! bullying is a motivator! elehhhhna Nov 2012 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author IDoMath Nov 2012 #13
Being publicly humiliated is about an hour past "criticism", don't you think? marmar Nov 2012 #17
Obviously you don't know the difference ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author IDoMath Nov 2012 #22
I was a nerd too. Played in the chess club. Winners and losers. Classrooms are not sports arenas (nt The Straight Story Nov 2012 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author IDoMath Nov 2012 #29
if you're intellectualism is being denigrated elehhhhna Nov 2012 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author IDoMath Nov 2012 #40
So, marking up the face of someone slower is a ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #63
So, why are you okay ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #32
Ignore him, he's not worth the breath. Chan790 Nov 2012 #51
True - you would think a person ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #57
and bullying, and poor sporsmanship, etc. ... elehhhhna Nov 2012 #31
This is an unoriginal, right-wing talking point. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2012 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author IDoMath Nov 2012 #41
So you were successful in getting rid of your self-esteem sometime during high school? DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2012 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author IDoMath Nov 2012 #45
Roll those dice DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2012 #52
I'd vote to "Leave it Alone". n/t Chan790 Nov 2012 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author IDoMath Nov 2012 #61
From the person ohheckyeah Nov 2012 #59
Poor you. ceile Nov 2012 #50
Justifying child abuse is sick high order douchebaggery jpak Nov 2012 #60
Why don't you find your nearest university and take Psych 101. backscatter712 Nov 2012 #67
because nothing makes children want to learn as well as shaming does. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #15
Isn't this considered assault? hollysmom Nov 2012 #16
It is by me. forestpath Nov 2012 #24
She needs to be fired asap. Waiting For Everyman Nov 2012 #19
If you fire her, you need to fire every teacher using peer approaches in the classroom because GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #94
"Is being criticized?" nichomachus Nov 2012 #20
Institutionalized bullying? Downwinder Nov 2012 #21
That explains this!! He flunked 4th grade reading. retread Nov 2012 #23
That is despicable... and breaks my heart... nenagh Nov 2012 #26
I was slow in math but quick to learn reading. yardwork Nov 2012 #46
Actually, this teacher's blog has some student reading videos that are anything but shaming GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #48
That's horrible liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #28
She actually seems like a devoted teacher. Her blog is available here: GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #38
She may be a devoted teacher but she made a terrible mistake. yardwork Nov 2012 #47
Did you read the blog? She's not a horrible person, and the peer approach requires follow through GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #58
The "punishment" was apparently the idea of the students themselves (a stupid one admittedly) GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #35
In other words, the teachers enabled her students to be bullies. yardwork Nov 2012 #53
The peer approach often results in that, especially with younger children GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #65
My children went to a student-centered alternative school, and nothing like this was done. yardwork Nov 2012 #83
What kind of alternative school? GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #90
It was founded in the 1970s, based on Piaget's theories. yardwork Nov 2012 #96
I would be worried as much about the effect of this "punishment" ... surrealAmerican Nov 2012 #37
If I'd had my face marked on Iwillnevergiveup Nov 2012 #42
OMG. What incredible stupidity and cruelty. yardwork Nov 2012 #44
Fire that incompetent fuck. nt rrneck Nov 2012 #49
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2012 #89
Teacher needs to write the meaning of STIGMA on her blackboard 1000 times HereSince1628 Nov 2012 #54
How about the students write on HER face? nt redwitch Nov 2012 #75
Those poor kids! What a sickfuck teacher. jpak Nov 2012 #56
The kids themselves chose the punishment, and some student-centered approaches GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #73
Thanks for the input, esp the link Hekate Nov 2012 #82
Thanks for a civilized response. A wrongheaded philosophy, supported by research and GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #91
What if one of these poor kids is an unidentified dyslexic? It happens. Butterbean Nov 2012 #62
And I thought the education bar was lowered when our former president asked: Initech Nov 2012 #64
Wow, really? EC Nov 2012 #66
Any punishment for this teacher should involve a tattoo gun... n/t backscatter712 Nov 2012 #68
Yet another reason why I'm glad we homeschooled our kids. kath Nov 2012 #69
I am a HUGE advocate of home schooling, especially considering current education "theory" at GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #71
The teacher is NOT a horrible person or even an abusive one. It's a peer teaching methodology that GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #70
Labeling abuse as a "theory" doesn't make it less abusive demhottie Nov 2012 #72
Tell that to schools of education. GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #77
That's complete bullshit Sabriel Nov 2012 #98
The teacher is an adult. She has an obligation to keep kids safe. She failed. proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #74
Safe, yes. But this has EVERYTHING to do with teaching philosophy coming out of universities GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #78
The reason an adult is the teacher is because students lack the judgment Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #80
I agree, but peer approaches make the teacher step away from that role GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #92
Stunning. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2012 #76
Teaches other kids that violating someone else's physical boundaries is acceptable Hekate Nov 2012 #79
Teaches that such violation is OK when the peer group agrees on it GiaGiovanni Nov 2012 #93
My first grade teacher used to pin failed tests to our shirts & force us to keep them there all day Bad_Ronald Nov 2012 #84
I am in no way defending this teacher dsc Nov 2012 #85
what a crappy human being/teacher. n/t Whisp Nov 2012 #86
What the hell.......... Marrah_G Nov 2012 #87
So this teacher believes in "Scarlet Letter" type punishment in 2012. Auntie Bush Nov 2012 #88
Fire her. None of that sit in a room for a year and get paid bullshit. nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #95
unreal former-republican Nov 2012 #97
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