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redqueen

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82. Is anyone surprised
Tue Oct 10, 2023, 06:25 PM
Oct 2023

From the Vox link:

Second, a columnist at Israel’s Ha’aretz newspaper unearthed evidence that Netanyahu has intentionally propped up Hamas rule in Gaza — seeing Palestinian extremism as a bulwark against a two-state solution to the conflict.

“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” the prime minister reportedly said at a 2019 meeting of his Likud party. “This is part of our strategy — to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”

These exact comments have not yet been confirmed by other sources. But the Times of Israel’s Tal Schneider wrote on Sunday that Netanyahu’s reported words “are in line with the policy that he implemented,” which did little to challenge and in some ways bolstered Hamas’s control over the Gaza Strip. Moreover, Schneider notes, “the same messaging was repeated by right-wing commentators, who may have received briefings on the matter or talked to Likud higher-ups and understood the message.” Some Netanyahu confidants have said the same thing, as have outside experts.


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They put Iran on the Women's Human Rights council Marius25 Oct 2023 #1
Actually T_A Oct 2023 #7
Cool story. The UN is worthless and has no power. Marius25 Oct 2023 #8
Quite Predictable Response T_A Oct 2023 #12
Yes it is... PCIntern Oct 2023 #16
It's Merely Unreality T_A Oct 2023 #18
Parsed as, "It's merely, uh, reality." n/t Igel Oct 2023 #179
The very nature and structure of the UN limits it and can leave its committees sometimes open to hlthe2b Oct 2023 #26
The problem is, many times they have no teeth. LeftInTX Oct 2023 #57
It was never meant to be a judicary equivalent. That is the World Court that the US declined to hlthe2b Oct 2023 #63
Good place to start. KS Toronado Oct 2023 #100
Veto Power AloeVera Oct 2023 #156
Exactly. Goddessartist Oct 2023 #112
No one cares about the UN SCantiGOP Oct 2023 #80
Think again about why folks might be skeptical when the "UN" source isn't named. lapucelle Oct 2023 #121
It Was Named T_A Oct 2023 #132
That's quite specific as to title, I guess. Igel Oct 2023 #180
Oppressive, theocratic regimes seem to be the problem. n/t AntiFascist Oct 2023 #155
Irrelevant. You should be able to judge the criminality of this action Redleg Oct 2023 #177
Yes, indeed hlthe2b Oct 2023 #20
Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #30
**** Hekate Oct 2023 #37
Think again why there are no sources and not even a name for the "UN" expert. lapucelle Oct 2023 #122
Already Addressed T_A Oct 2023 #135
You said there was no link. Think again and maybe you can recall a name. lapucelle Oct 2023 #138
Why Would I Need To Recall A Name? T_A Oct 2023 #145
That was good advice. I did look it up. It's Francesca Albanese. lapucelle Oct 2023 #148
Except T_A Oct 2023 #159
The name you can't provide is Francesca Albanese. She was interviewed on last week. lapucelle Oct 2023 #160
BZZZT! T_A Oct 2023 #161
Sorry, "Unnamed guy on unlinked show said something" is simply not good enough. lapucelle Oct 2023 #162
Except T_A Oct 2023 #164
I don't use translators when I'm writing posts. lapucelle Oct 2023 #165
Me Neither T_A Oct 2023 #166
You said "translates". N/T lapucelle Oct 2023 #168
But polysemy. Igel Oct 2023 #182
Opravdu. Igel Oct 2023 #181
Yep. Goddessartist Oct 2023 #45
You know who doesn't care about the UN? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #11
+1 spot on! Emile Oct 2023 #14
Hamas? Hezbo? Mosby Oct 2023 #47
They only do what the people who finance them want them to do. Kind of like our R's in congress. LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #51
Islamic extremism is driven by ideology Mosby Oct 2023 #53
maybe when 1 or 2 people do something, but when thousands of rockets worth million start LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #54
I'm with LiberalArkie on this one. Yes, Iran ruled by the Ayatollahs is definitely a PatrickforB Oct 2023 #151
This reads like a "bothsides" argument Bucky Oct 2023 #190
What's wrong is wrong no matter who's doing it AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #193
What ever one thinks about the UN Disaffected Oct 2023 #32
Yes, of course it is. When fighting an enemy, there is wnylib Oct 2023 #52
Yes, thus it has been and Disaffected Oct 2023 #55
No Need For Contention T_A Oct 2023 #62
Trump, Boebert, Gaetz agree on spite towards the UN quakerboy Oct 2023 #104
Too many here love to BlueMTexpat Oct 2023 #107
If for nothing else UNICEF and other health, medical care, food etc. it is well JohnSJ Oct 2023 #152
This is a hell of a reply! 🔥🔥🔥 AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #191
And, yet claudette Oct 2023 #2
I don't think the UN can be taken seriously. Marius25 Oct 2023 #5
Well, that is and has long been the RW and Trump stance on the UN. Interesting that you would agree hlthe2b Oct 2023 #22
Yep. Goddessartist Oct 2023 #46
Interesting indeed nt redqueen Oct 2023 #64
I'm not inthewind21 Oct 2023 #75
Definitely MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #65
yes, interesting indeed Celerity Oct 2023 #103
indeed. solid point. -(nt)- stopdiggin Oct 2023 #137
No, it's just abject ignorance of the law. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #27
+1 treestar Oct 2023 #125
Welcome to our DU family. niyad Oct 2023 #3
Like any family we occassionally have food fights housecat Oct 2023 #34
just noticed post counts are not in the posts now treestar Oct 2023 #128
There's A Way To See Those ProfessorGAC Oct 2023 #143
Welcome home T_A... MiHale Oct 2023 #4
* T_A Oct 2023 #6
A link would add greater credibility. Duncan Grant Oct 2023 #9
BBC Radio T_A Oct 2023 #13
That's not very helpful. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #28
"Their site may have something" does not equal a link. Just sayin' Hekate Oct 2023 #68
BBC Radio Is LIVE Audio T_A Oct 2023 #70
As it happens I have developed a few work-arounds which I will be happy to share with you Hekate Oct 2023 #73
You're Confused T_A Oct 2023 #83
I am not at all confused. I've been here over 20 years, and I learned to cite sources decades before Hekate Oct 2023 #84
That's Not A Link T_A Oct 2023 #87
As we used to say when I was a freshman in college: "Cite Your Sources." Hekate Oct 2023 #90
I Did T_A Oct 2023 #93
There is a difference between citing and eluding to. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #115
Think again if you expect folks to accept the claims lapucelle Oct 2023 #123
Already Addressed T_A Oct 2023 #136
Think again. Maybe you can recall her name. lapucelle Oct 2023 #141
Think again. Maybe you can recall her name. lapucelle Oct 2023 #140
It's not impossible to obtain the link. lapucelle Oct 2023 #169
Wrong Program T_A Oct 2023 #170
You posted that it was "impossible to obtain a link". Think again. lapucelle Oct 2023 #171
NO T_A Oct 2023 #173
I just posted one. Sorry, but "Some guy on a show I can't name said something." lapucelle Oct 2023 #175
NO T_A Oct 2023 #176
Sorry, "Some guy on some program said something" is even worse than this. lapucelle Oct 2023 #178
i dont think israel gives a damn what the UN says moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #10
War crimes don't give a damn what anyone thinks...it's still a crime, by clear legal definition... Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2023 #97
take it up with the hague after israel finishes destroying hamas moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #109
And after Hamas is destroyed, there'll be another terrorist organization born. czarjak Oct 2023 #117
STOP WITH THE WHATABOUTISM Skittles Oct 2023 #158
First, Ukraine is not a terrorist organization, and it doesn't target civilians. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #113
Gaza is not a nation, can't declare war, that's a Western fiction...and 2 million people living Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2023 #118
Gaza is a territorial unit of statutory Palestine, which is a Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #120
Try suing PG&E for a power outage. usonian Oct 2023 #15
And this is stupid. NutmegYankee Oct 2023 #17
US doesn't like it when others use that tactic. David__77 Oct 2023 #59
You *might* want to consider MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2023 #66
Food and water? Most sieges of towns and cities had innocent families in the middle. NutmegYankee Oct 2023 #71
It was never necessary to shut down Progressive dog Oct 2023 #89
Literally advocating for a war crime against a city of 2 million...regressing to the Stone Age wars? Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2023 #119
An enemy would be someone you don't have control over like that. treestar Oct 2023 #124
By this logic sarisataka Oct 2023 #19
Surrounding Berlin was a war crime? speak easy Oct 2023 #35
Apparently sarisataka Oct 2023 #43
You mean the Palestinians after all these years didn't build any infrastructure Historic NY Oct 2023 #21
They're Living Under T_A Oct 2023 #61
Israel is not occupying Gaza Mossfern Oct 2023 #172
The UN is often ignored LeftInTX Oct 2023 #23
The accusations against Bush went nowhere because . . . markpkessinger Oct 2023 #69
Been there. Done that with Israel LeftInTX Oct 2023 #78
Why do you think 1/2 the population are children? Their parents and grandparents have already been onecaliberal Oct 2023 #24
Nonsense speak easy Oct 2023 #38
By who hamas? Certainly not Israel EX500rider Oct 2023 #42
Seems like I would have read about THAT TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #129
yeah expect crickets as a reply EX500rider Oct 2023 #133
In contested areas, there can be a race to have more children than the other guys meadowlander Oct 2023 #67
Intelligently stated Hekate Oct 2023 #74
Yup jfz9580m Oct 2023 #105
that's what the Christian right tries to do too treestar Oct 2023 #134
So now we are just making stuff up? tritsofme Oct 2023 #77
That is not true. Progressive dog Oct 2023 #92
There have no doubt been a disproportionate amount of Palestinians uponit7771 Oct 2023 #94
If I had a nickel for every time a UN humanitarian was wromg. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2023 #29
Please educate sarisataka Oct 2023 #31
Yes but who is going to punish Israel? IronLionZion Oct 2023 #33
Nobody will punish Israel for a misinformed statement from a UN official Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #39
I would like to see the source and the quote ripcord Oct 2023 #56
so would I, but it's not forthcoming. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #60
It might be the woman called out by our UN ambassador for her history of anti-Semitism, lapucelle Oct 2023 #131
That's the one. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #149
"The name was in a previous adjacent thread at the time." lapucelle Oct 2023 #150
and Bibi is trying to control the courts to protect his criiminal rightwing ass. Israel is divided housecat Oct 2023 #40
Israel should ignore the U.N. because it is anti Israel ripcord Oct 2023 #36
Israel IS ignoring doing war crimes, UN is just the messenger...but then again a Eric and israel Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2023 #98
Didn't it have a hand in creating the current state? treestar Oct 2023 #144
I don't think the UN is a honest broker here. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #41
You Don't Need To Believe The U.N. Is An "Honest Broker" T_A Oct 2023 #88
It's the interpretations of them. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #95
How can people who initiate collective punishment have an argument in this context, they should stop uponit7771 Oct 2023 #106
No. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #116
Source? ripcord Oct 2023 #44
It is a crime against humanity. The Israeli Def Minister called Palestinians "human animals" Goddessartist Oct 2023 #48
Still can't wrap my brain around that leftstreet Oct 2023 #49
Dehumanization, and eradication. Goddessartist Oct 2023 #72
Is anyone surprised redqueen Oct 2023 #82
Not surprised at all. Goddessartist Oct 2023 #108
Yea. Cant walk back genocidal talk followed by...genocide. Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2023 #99
Exactly. Goddessartist Oct 2023 #111
Welcome to DU, T_A! calimary Oct 2023 #50
So your response is snark? milestogo Oct 2023 #58
Nobody gives a damn about the UN Calculating Oct 2023 #76
Welcome to DU orangecrush Oct 2023 #79
Did we supply food and energy to the Germans and Japanese populations? former9thward Oct 2023 #81
We certainly did -- after surrender Hekate Oct 2023 #85
No one in this war has surrendered. former9thward Oct 2023 #86
Right. I hope the OP gets that. Hekate Oct 2023 #91
We did not have occupational power over those treestar Oct 2023 #153
No. former9thward Oct 2023 #157
seems more like 911 than those treestar Oct 2023 #187
Did the UN representative cited to a provision of the Geneva Convention or Hague Protocol? TomSlick Oct 2023 #96
Irrelevant. Both sides' war crimes are irrelevant now... albacore Oct 2023 #101
The UN is only relevant when... Xolodno Oct 2023 #102
That's probably true. Captain Stern Oct 2023 #110
It's not surprising they have overreacted Bucky Oct 2023 #114
Is there a link to a this? TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #126
For Me T_A Oct 2023 #139
Was it BBC stating this or a UN rep? TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #142
U.N. Rep T_A Oct 2023 #146
It might have been the Democracy Now! interview with Francesca Albanese. lapucelle Oct 2023 #154
NO WATER FOR YOU!!!! Soup Nazi on Seinfeld enid602 Oct 2023 #127
they've said this from the very beginning stopdiggin Oct 2023 #130
I'm suing PG&E usonian Oct 2023 #147
NOPE. nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #163
Here is MY question-- how WAS Israel supposed to respond to this awful attack??? LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #167
Anything that harms civilians is war crime. Starving them is just as bad as shooting them. Martin68 Oct 2023 #174
Yeah that's just not true EX500rider Oct 2023 #183
Well, duh. But when civilians die because they were not allowed to get water, food or medical treatment, that is a war crime. Martin68 Oct 2023 #184
Is Israel allowing relief supplies across the Egyptian crossing now, yes EX500rider Oct 2023 #185
Show me one war in which either combatant had the power to completely cut off all water, power, and Martin68 Oct 2023 #188
The US imposed a complete naval blockade on Japan in WWII EX500rider Oct 2023 #194
You seem to be willfully ignoring the obvious. Japan had food and water no matter who blockaded them. Martin68 Oct 2023 #196
No they did not EX500rider Oct 2023 #199
Food Insecurity in Japan EX500rider Oct 2023 #201
Food insecurity at a the time was a product of the wartime effort that drafted farmers to fight the war, Martin68 Oct 2023 #202
Japan has to import food, they can not grow enough for their population EX500rider Oct 2023 #203
"Anything that harms civilians is war crime." EX500rider Oct 2023 #186
I have no idea what you are trying to say. Why would I agree that is not true? I just cited the Martin68 Oct 2023 #189
Perhaps SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #192
Post 147 of yours EX500rider Oct 2023 #195
"According to Section 6(1)(b)(xxv), "ntentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare by depriving them of Martin68 Oct 2023 #197
"willfully impeding relief supplies" is not the same as you have to supply them EX500rider Oct 2023 #200
That is simply not true. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #198
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