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Showing Original Post only (View all)Hmmm… Why Was Karl Rove So Adamant that Romney Not Concede Ohio? [View all]
When Ohio was called for Barack Obama on Election Night, thereby pushing him over the top in the Electoral College, Karl Rove didnt take it very well, as he encouraged Mitt Romney not to concede for several hours. In fact, Romney didnt concede until after Obama had won enough states to win the election even without Ohio. From the Washington Guardian:
The prominent Republican strategist and former Bush White House guru didnt seem able to deal with Mitt Romneys loss on Election Night. When the network he was appearing on, Fox News, called that Ohio had voted for President Barack Obama, thereby effectively ending the election, Rove strongly pushed back.
"I think this is premature," Rove said, insisting that only part of the vote had been counted. "I don't know what the outcome is going to be, but we gotta be careful about calling things when we have like 991 votes separating the two candidates."
Rove put up so much protest, in fact, that anchor Megyn Kelly traveled back into Foxs studio to speak with their statisticians and experts who were calling each state. Even before Rove almost had a conniption, Fox in fact had been one of the last to call Ohio for Obama.
"I think this is premature," Rove said, insisting that only part of the vote had been counted. "I don't know what the outcome is going to be, but we gotta be careful about calling things when we have like 991 votes separating the two candidates."
Rove put up so much protest, in fact, that anchor Megyn Kelly traveled back into Foxs studio to speak with their statisticians and experts who were calling each state. Even before Rove almost had a conniption, Fox in fact had been one of the last to call Ohio for Obama.
Rove insisted that only part of the vote had been counted? As we all know, states are routinely called for one candidate or another when only part of the vote is counted based on statistical analysis of a combination of the current vote count, exit polls, and what parts of the state have yet to be counted. So what was Karl Rove so sure he knew about the vote count or looming vote count that none of the network statisticians knew, even at FOX news? To consider that question, lets go back to 2004:
Election Night 2004
In the official 2004 Ohio vote count, George W. Bush beat John Kerry by about 118 thousand votes, a margin of about 2.5%. But according to the final Ohio exit polls, John Kerry was predicted to win by a whopping 4.2% thus producing a huge discrepancy between the exit polls and the official vote count.
Prior to Election Day 2004, it was evident that Ohio was the most critical swing state in the country. Late on Election Night, it became apparent that whoever won Ohio would win the presidency. TV commentators discussed how the situation looked very bad for George W. Bush. Even the right wing political hack Robert Novak acknowledged that Bush had little chance of winning Ohio and thus the election.
So what happened then? Stephen Spoonamore, a computer expert and close associate of Michael Connell, who was widely known as Karl Roves IT guru, provided a likely answer to that question in a sworn affidavit on October 26, 2008.
During the evening and early morning on the 2004 General Election in Ohio, on my own computer I was watching the results of incoming counties and precincts. I believed there was a more than likely chance County Tabulators had been programmed to manipulate votes
. As early results showed Kerry ahead, I noticed a trend in a very few counties (I believe I noted 8 counties on election night) that at about 11 p.m. suddenly began reporting radically different ratios of Kerry to Bush votes. All in favor of Mr. Bush. This sudden rate of change
resembled a fraud technique called an Intelligent Man In the Middle, or KingPin Attack. This type of attack requires a computer to be inserted into the communications flow of an IT system
Other experts found additional data indicating Bush's increase in votes from these counties, and Kerry's decrease in votes When information about the SmartTech IT routing switch became public I again stated that we now have confirmation of a KingPin, or Intelligent Man in the Middle position had been created The SmartTech system was set up precisely as a KingPin computer used in criminal acts against banking or credit card processes and had the needed level of access to both county tabulators and Secretary of States computers to allow whoever was running SmartTech's computers to decide the output of the county tabulators under its control The SmartTech computer would as the results of the evening proceeded be able to know how many votes Bush needed to steal from Kerry, and flip enough votes on the desired county tabulators to reverse the outcome of the election
Other experts found additional data indicating Bush's increase in votes from these counties, and Kerry's decrease in votes When information about the SmartTech IT routing switch became public I again stated that we now have confirmation of a KingPin, or Intelligent Man in the Middle position had been created The SmartTech system was set up precisely as a KingPin computer used in criminal acts against banking or credit card processes and had the needed level of access to both county tabulators and Secretary of States computers to allow whoever was running SmartTech's computers to decide the output of the county tabulators under its control The SmartTech computer would as the results of the evening proceeded be able to know how many votes Bush needed to steal from Kerry, and flip enough votes on the desired county tabulators to reverse the outcome of the election
The aborted testimony of Michael Connell
The SmartTech system that Spoonamore referred to was operated by Michael Connell Karl Roves IT guru. Two days after Spoonamores affadavit, attorneys filed a motion to compel testimony of Connell regarding his knowledge of the workings of the GOP computer systems. On October 31 a federal judge ordered Connell to submit to a deposition on possible election manipulation. Connell gave the deposition on November 4, providing as little information as possible, but eventually he was forced to admit that he brought Triad and SmartTech into the Ohio election game.
When it became apparent that Connell would testify in the case, Connell was warned not to fly his plane. Cliff Arnebeck, the Ohio lawyer who brought the suit and subpoenaed Connell, warned the U.S. Justice Department that Connells life might be in danger, and requested witness protection. Connell never did get to testify. On December 19, shortly before he was due to testify, he died in a plane crash, presumably caused by his plane running out of gas.
What happened on Election Night 2012?
If up to the point where the TV networks were discussing how hopeless Ohio looked for Mitt Romney on Election Night 2012 seems to you to be eerily similar to Election Night 2004, youre not alone. As in 2004, Ohio was the critical swing state. As in 2004, the situation looked very bad for the Republican candidate. As in 2004, the Ohio election was being handled by a highly partisan Republican administration. As in 2004, Karl Rove seemed to be a key player. And as in 2004, SmartTech computers played a central role in tabulating the Ohio vote. As explained here two months prior to the 2012 election:
In 2012 the current Ohio GOP Secretary of State Jon Husted plans to once again use SMARTech for the 2012 Ohio Presidential Election. It would be interesting to know how SOS Husted plans to utilize SMARTech and if he will admit knowledge of the use of SMARTech. Will the computer IT architecture be similar to the one created in 2004 where Stephen Spoonamore claimed the architecture was a classic Man-In-The Middle attack format for the ability to manipulate vote totals.
But there were a couple of big differences between 2004 and 2012. One is that the Republican candidate apparently was substantially further behind in Ohio in 2012 than in 2004. And the other difference is that as we found out soon it turned out that the Democratic candidate didnt need Ohio to win the election. So apparently for one or both of those reasons we didnt see a repeat of 2004 in 2008. Perhaps the decision was made to pull back when it became apparent that even if he won Ohio Romney couldnt win the election. Perhaps the decision was made a little sooner, when the approximate magnitude the number of votes needed became apparent.
In any event, despite all the evidence to the contrary, both Karl Rove and Kenneth Blackwell (Ohio Secretary of State in charge of the Ohio election in 2004) denied any knowledge of SmartTech. Democracy Now! Producer Mike Burke summed up the situation two months prior to the 2012 election:
Do you think Karl Rove and Ken Blackwell need to take lie detector tests? How can they possibly deny knowledge of SMARTech with a straight face? Will Ohio election integrity folks check into the status of the use of SMARTech in the 2004 and 2012 elections? Perhaps for the integrity of the vote totals in Ohio it would seem like a pretty good idea.
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Hmmm… Why Was Karl Rove So Adamant that Romney Not Concede Ohio? [View all]
Time for change
Nov 2012
OP
ORCA was a system to get out the vote, having nothing to do with vote counting. After 8Pm you can't
robinlynne
Nov 2012
#5
The entire vote count in Ohio is owned a company owned by Romney and Bain Capitral friends.
robinlynne
Nov 2012
#33
"The truth is we know nothing about our own electoral system because it has been hijacked..."
CrispyQ
Nov 2012
#85
If this is true, then they are heroes who will probably never receive the full credit.
Baitball Blogger
Nov 2012
#11
But we were just lucky this time in that Anonymous is on our side. It's only a matter of time
Squinch
Nov 2012
#100
But Republicans, it seems, are investing in voting machines. Which means they see the
Squinch
Nov 2012
#123
It's a nonsense word my family uses to describe the expression in your eyes when
Squinch
Nov 2012
#140
If they are so "technically expert", why is the letter so techically inept? n/t
RomneyLies
Nov 2012
#136
Then Anonymous should have no difficulty posting documentation that proves this point
BlueStreak
Nov 2012
#106
A lot more is known about the extent of the cheating now than it was on Election Day 2004
Time for change
Nov 2012
#127
Election protection advocates had a federal judge watching Ohio this year. They sued a few
robinlynne
Nov 2012
#8
will find one for you. The Ohio SOS put "patches" on the software a few days before the election. the
robinlynne
Nov 2012
#35
Husted bailed on Rove. He wasn't taking Federal rap for Rove in a losing effort.
Ikonoklast
Nov 2012
#83
Yes. He did not want to be anywhere near his office if Rove decided to move without him.
Ikonoklast
Nov 2012
#91
Here: If you go to the link, there are 4 or 5 more links to read about it, within the article.
robinlynne
Nov 2012
#37
Wow, must have struck a nerve. Two conspiracy theorists I have on ignore have responded
RomneyLies
Nov 2012
#163
Bev Harris is not a welcome reference on DU and I would be careful quoting her
Godhumor
Nov 2012
#128
The Ohio exit polls indicated a Kerry lead of over 4 percentage points in 2004
Time for change
Nov 2012
#135
maybe rove was acting to look good to his $$ - "look, Im trying to save the election" nt
msongs
Nov 2012
#16
Most of this makes sense to me. Is it regarded as paranoia? Why would Congress...
Honeycombe8
Nov 2012
#17
The amazing thing is that if this was happening in Russia or Venezuela
go west young man
Nov 2012
#32
You're exactly right that that is the kind of thinking that empowers a Karl Rove
Time for change
Nov 2012
#38
Sorry to have just realized that you did mention the voting discrepancy of 2004.
go west young man
Nov 2012
#67
Yes, there are so many things about this that are so difficult to understand
Time for change
Nov 2012
#118
Thanks for this post. Hopefully it will serve to dispel some of the extreme naivete
Zorra
Nov 2012
#19
Agree. There's no way to make the compuers reliable. People will not trust the vote.
patrice
Nov 2012
#34
and when Duers believe "Obama took care of it", that means more election theft in the future....
robinlynne
Nov 2012
#54
Obama said in his book he doesn't believe the "conspiracy theory" about elections being stolen.
loudsue
Nov 2012
#60
I hope that Obama is just saying that and meanwhile is actually taking steps to prevent fraud.
yardwork
Nov 2012
#75
no he is not taking steps. He nominated not one Commissioner to head the EAC in 4 years, the federal
robinlynne
Nov 2012
#114
In the back of my mind, Obama's Justice Department should dig DEEP on this. Wouldn't it be just
silvershadow
Nov 2012
#46
Knowing Rove like we do, I'm surprised that anyone thinks this is not a plausible scenario. nt.
OldDem2012
Nov 2012
#51
I think you're right that it is more important to the PTB of both parties to support
Time for change
Nov 2012
#79
By "nothing is going to be done about this", I mean by elected officials and the DoJ
IDemo
Nov 2012
#82
Thom Hartman is usually reasonable, but I consider him WAY over the top on this tinfoil nuttery n/t
RomneyLies
Nov 2012
#122
And every bit of that is as worthleas as the bullshit the Birthers cite n/t
RomneyLies
Nov 2012
#149
Your method of arguing is simply to assert your opinion without giving any reason for it
Time for change
Nov 2012
#151
Evidence has always been there for election theft & it's never been dealt with. Will this finally
mother earth
Nov 2012
#112
My first thought when I heard he said don't concede was Rove thought he could steal the votes during
pam4water
Nov 2012
#120
This kind of evidence-free speculation usually comes from watching too many dramas on TV.
randome
Nov 2012
#150
AHA...makes me dream that Obama Team read our post about discounting the most
Laura PourMeADrink
Nov 2012
#170