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BlueCaliDem

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94. A stirred wasps nest.

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:34 PM

Nov 2012

Duhbya got us into two wars with the goal to have perpetual wars as far as our and our childrens' generation could see. Hence, Gitmo, where terrorists are actually bred. This has always been the goal of Republicans - all war all the time.

When President Obama took over, he was faced with a LOT of crap, but above all else, two wars that were making al-Qaeda and the Taliban stronger (since they can recruit telling their people we need to defend the homeland and Allah from the Christians and American aggression).

Duhbya, not President Obama, stirred the wasps nest and they came out in fury. Now, President Obama is faced with having to clean up, not only the economic mess Duhbya and useless, deficit-spending Republicans have left behind, but he had to face an abnormally hostile GOP in Congress - in addition to having to win over Democrats who mostly favored Hillary Clinton for president back in 2008.

I have a 26-year-old son who asks me about these things and I tell him the simple truth: President Obama has to clean up the horrible mess from eight years of a Republican pResident and twelve years of a Republican-controlled Congress, and it takes time to do it.

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My son, who preferred Obama over Romney had some pretty startling things to say............ [View all] 1springhill Nov 2012 OP

You could send him here.... Tree-Hugger Nov 2012 #1

thank him for his concern? demwing Nov 2012 #98

OMG... the trolls are sneaking into his wife's uterus now! n/t Ian David Nov 2012 #108

Guess again. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #163

Breathe...for fuck's sake. nt Tree-Hugger Nov 2012 #175

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #136

You don't have kids, do you. renie408 Nov 2012 #160

Well Golly Gee Tree-Hugger Nov 2012 #174

I think it was the patronizing renie408 Nov 2012 #193

I'll be sure to consult you the next time I post Tree-Hugger Nov 2012 #197

you could remind him that Obama ended one war dsc Nov 2012 #2

lets be honest here former-republican Nov 2012 #19

Do you believe if John McCain was president, he would have let SOFA keep him from war? nt morningglory Nov 2012 #69

McCain is a war monger former-republican Nov 2012 #186

Someone I know was a small child on the ground in Austria JDPriestly Nov 2012 #189

Tell him the truth: not voting for the lesser of two evils Warpy Nov 2012 #3

"...killed an American citizen."??? Suich Nov 2012 #4

Anwar al-Awlaki Chan790 Nov 2012 #8

I think he meant that kid of a terrorist leader who was killed in a drone strike. catbyte Nov 2012 #9

Anwar al-Awlaki Enrique Nov 2012 #10

One of the terrorists targeted and taken out was actually an American... Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #65

AND his 16 year old son. alarimer Nov 2012 #141

At least he preferred Obama. Kath1 Nov 2012 #5

I think Obama is better than Bush on foreign policy, it gets dicey on civil liberties TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #6

What does Bush have to do with Anything Fence rider Nov 2012 #7

??? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #168

ask him to show you where he is getting his information Enrique Nov 2012 #12

Don't say anything 'to' him. He's an adult. Talk 'with' him. toddaa Nov 2012 #13

I like that............. 1springhill Nov 2012 #27

if he is talking specifically about foreign policy in the second term of the Bush Administration Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #14

US foreign policy is its own beast, largely independent of any particular administration Scootaloo Nov 2012 #15

You might mention to him that President Obama will be the one appointing new Supreme Court Justices Tx4obama Nov 2012 #16

He is aware of all that............... 1springhill Nov 2012 #23

I doubt anyone here agrees with PBO on everything sellitman Nov 2012 #129

He voted for Obama and said he was the lesser of two evils, better than Romney. He said Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #179

I also find the use of drones so much to be disturbing. brokechris Nov 2012 #17

Sounds like your son has been talking to some Ron Paul or Gary Johnson supporters Lilyeye Nov 2012 #18

Yes, he has talked about Gary Johnson........... 1springhill Nov 2012 #24

Then he is NOT a democrat and why not tell him to go to ... graham4anything Nov 2012 #55

real Dems don't talk to their kids that way Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #72

Right on randr Nov 2012 #88

Hey pal, many of us agree with him on drones nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #80

why wasn't anyone on the ballot in that position? That is the problem, the repubs have someone graham4anything Nov 2012 #100

Sorry, misunderstood your question nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #107

DU used to be so great. Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #110

I hate to say it but your son is closer to the truth than farther from it. former-republican Nov 2012 #20

Really? "no better than bush on foreign policy"? I strongly disagree Cha Nov 2012 #25

Why do you find it necessary to insult my son? 1springhill Nov 2012 #29

Ignorant just means he doesn't seem to know all the facts. Do you Cha Nov 2012 #31

I am well aware what ignorant means....... 1springhill Nov 2012 #41

I hate to say it but your son is closer to the truth than farther from it former-republican Nov 2012 #30

You really couldn't post links on that.. because bush lied to get into the Cha Nov 2012 #33

stop right there former-republican Nov 2012 #39

You Stop Right There Cha Nov 2012 #43

Bush was a war monger , President Obama isn't but his actions closely mirror Bushes former-republican Nov 2012 #48

Well, I think if people don't like President Obama's Foreign Policy then Cha Nov 2012 #49

It seems to be a meme SunsetDreams Nov 2012 #79

That's interesting to know, SunsetDreams! Makes perfect sense why they Cha Nov 2012 #147

A stirred wasps nest. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #94

Thanks for explaining this aspect of The Big Difference between Bush and President Obama's Cha Nov 2012 #150

You're welcome, Cha! BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #165

My 20 something son sense Nov 2012 #21

That he's not wrong and it is now up to his generation to fix the mess we've Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #22

Tell your son to eat his veggies & wear clean underwear in case he's in an accident, AND ... Tx4obama Nov 2012 #26

Thanks for the FACTS, TX4obama! Cha Nov 2012 #45

They doesn't make it any less illegal and the don't drive around with terrorists Hissyspit Nov 2012 #51

People seem to forget this HUGE factor. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #85

I don't give a flying fuck; it's still WRONG. alarimer Nov 2012 #142

Well, as they say, BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #143

Yes these people were citizens technically only treestar Nov 2012 #96

"Citizens technically only"--There's no other kind. Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #181

There is an element of citizenship that has to do with loyalty and belonging to the country treestar Nov 2012 #196

what's to say? he's right on those counts. say "you're right". HiPointDem Nov 2012 #28

That's why even during the debate with Romney even the talking heads said ( democrats and republican former-republican Nov 2012 #32

That's because romney was agreeing with the President on everything Cha Nov 2012 #37

You mean when Romney was lying to make himself appear more "moderate"? NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #46

Exactly, NYC Liberal.. Cha Nov 2012 #50

No he's not. Cha Nov 2012 #35

whatever. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #36

Yeah, whatever, HIPointDem. Cha Nov 2012 #38

the drones are a sign of a crumbling, paranoid empire quinnox Nov 2012 #34

How about we appoint John Huntsman as SOS? That should fix it, right? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #52

It would certainly be a fine start quinnox Nov 2012 #56

I knew it! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #60

Anti-Labor Huntsman???? FUCK THAT NOISE. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #137

I think courageous gets your ticket punched even before the primaries these days. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #145

I agree with your son regarding the drone strikes, horrible. Never a good idea to vote crunch60 Nov 2012 #40

He sounds like a wonderful son... nenagh Nov 2012 #42

Thanks for that............. 1springhill Nov 2012 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author nenagh Nov 2012 #64

Bush lied us into a war that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #47

I'm sorry, but your son doesn't sound all that aware to me, "politically" or otherwise. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #53

Thanks for the advice. 1springhill Nov 2012 #57

Yeah, and I'm sure he could be President someday. Everybody thinks their kid's the ONE. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #61

Okay, you have a real problem.......... 1springhill Nov 2012 #62

You sure it's me? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #63

stop making DU suck. Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #73

"The election is over". Which is why the o.p. is strange. "We won". Exactly. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #138

Tell him to see Lincoln the movie. WARTIME POWERS is a constitutional right a president has graham4anything Nov 2012 #54

Drones save a lot of American soldiers' lives BUT Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #77

Your third paragraph makes the point treestar Nov 2012 #97

Anything? rug Nov 2012 #118

in a world where the national economy died instantly, for 10 years due to 9-11 graham4anything Nov 2012 #123

Where to begin? rug Nov 2012 #125

"ANYTHING A PRESIDENT DOES IS 100% DOABLE" Richard Nixon is that you? Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #183

Tell him that American domination of the world by military force has been a cheerfully bipartisan-- eridani Nov 2012 #58

+1! nt Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #75

That's good, too. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #144

Tell him that American domination of the world by military force has been a cheerfully bipartisan-- eridani Nov 2012 #58

I am comfortable with Obama's foreign policy... Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #66

Son's often get many of their misconceptions at that young age from their overly concerned parents. aandegoons Nov 2012 #67

Well then you son is an idiot trumad Nov 2012 #68

fucking coward DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2012 #120

Sounds as if your son is not a sensible pragmatic moderate centrist, unlike these two Fumesucker Nov 2012 #70

What do I say to him?... stop watching fox. nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #71

Tell him Obama is doing the best he can - a more pacifist candidate might have been booted out. reformist2 Nov 2012 #74

you were adopted nt hockeynut57 Nov 2012 #76

5,000 US troops dead in Iraq. 50,000 wounded. Hundreds of thousands of dead civilians. WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #78

I can't say I am particularly surprised at some of the answers nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #81

Agreed toddaa Nov 2012 #104

Stay in school. Pile up the degrees. Eat your wheaties. Be the change. zonkers Nov 2012 #82

Having a coughing fit here, SunsetDreams Nov 2012 #83

Why are you asking strangers for parenting advice? lunatica Nov 2012 #84

What he needs is to gain persepctive. He was 9 when Bush was elected. Nothing Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #86

I was trying to figure out why so many people are acting like assholes in this thread. WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #87

I heard Jesse Ventura say these exact same words on CNN last night Generic Other Nov 2012 #89

Just remind him who started those wars. Obama is 100% better on foreign policy than Bush. Autumn Nov 2012 #90

Tell him he's very wise for his age. proud2BlibKansan Nov 2012 #91

Tell him he's right. LWolf Nov 2012 #92

But the flip side of that message is that the lies about WMD and the invasion of Iraq Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #99

I don't see it that way, either. LWolf Nov 2012 #157

Congratulate him for his honesty and objectivity. nt Speck Tater Nov 2012 #93

Educate him on how wars were before the drones treestar Nov 2012 #95

Do you think Vietnam and Korea were wars worth fighting? Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #184

No. treestar Nov 2012 #195

Did the young lad get upset about bin Laden being shot by any chance? NNN0LHI Nov 2012 #101

Sounds like you should listen to him upi402 Nov 2012 #102

Just curious - would you still support Obama's current drone policy if, MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #103

What would he do? I say that because the human race is pretty damn backward and RKP5637 Nov 2012 #105

The President is trying to win this war that Bush started and get the hell out of there. Auntie Bush Nov 2012 #106

Explain that Glenn Greenwald works for the CATO institute, allrevvedup Nov 2012 #109

Refer him to what Bill Maher said about a disappointing friend versus a deadly enemy. n/t Ian David Nov 2012 #111

You say, "good job, son." aikoaiko Nov 2012 #112

"The lesser of two evils" is a favorite ploy by both of the establishment parties. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #113

No, it's a necessary part of being domesticated primates melody Nov 2012 #176

No, it's a realistic assessment based on the fact that every human being is flawed. pnwmom Nov 2012 #180

He's not far off despite what many think here davidn3600 Nov 2012 #114

Obama spent 4 entire years refusing to bomb Iran. allrevvedup Nov 2012 #117

Your son summed it up pretty well. There will always be good and evil. southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #115

That he is spot on correct! MadHound Nov 2012 #116

No, her son is well intentioned, but he's not correct. allrevvedup Nov 2012 #119

Let's see here, MadHound Nov 2012 #124

No, it wasn't a false assumption, but an established fact now. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #128

Can you refute anything I've mentioned? MadHound Nov 2012 #139

It's a question of scale. Al-Awlaki is not Pat Tillman allrevvedup Nov 2012 #146

You hit the nail right on the head. nt eqfan592 Nov 2012 #148

You draw upon some strange comparisons to try and make your point. MadHound Nov 2012 #155

Bush-Cheney started TWO elective wars allrevvedup Nov 2012 #158

Tell him to work his ass off MH1 Nov 2012 #121

Sorry, not buying it. Scurrilous Nov 2012 #122

;-) WinkyDink Nov 2012 #166

Welcome to DU. peace13 Nov 2012 #126

How many times, over his 21 years has he heard you say just that about an election? Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #127

Tell him the truth NoOneMan Nov 2012 #130

"..and very politically aware" JNelson6563 Nov 2012 #131

It's always been the lesser of two evils & anyone who says otherwise is lying to you. PO has never patrice Nov 2012 #132

Let me get this straight: Obama is the "lesser of two evils"? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #167

I'm borrowing common verbiage to illustrate my larger point about processes. I'm in the habit of patrice Nov 2012 #170

Which also, btw, begs the question as to how much lesser. There is no free lunch, but some patrice Nov 2012 #171

you could say to him: Whisp Nov 2012 #133

Here's some food for thought... Hippo_Tron Nov 2012 #134

There may be just a few here on DU who might agree with your son on the foreign policy issue Fla Dem Nov 2012 #135

It's true, unfortunately. alarimer Nov 2012 #140

The American citizen in question was a traitor who aided al-Qaeda in killing other Americans. BlueStater Nov 2012 #149

if your son, who is essentially correct, is actually as political aware as you say, he isn't gonna be boilerbabe Nov 2012 #151

He's not wrong about the drone strikes. They are inexcusable. DirkGently Nov 2012 #152

President Bush killed a gazillion Americans and ferners. Did your son talk about that? valerief Nov 2012 #153

Your son obviously is smart enough to see the long term consequences fujiyama Nov 2012 #154

Does your son prefer boots on the ground, mzmolly Nov 2012 #156

Tell him he's a smart kid who's got it pretty well figured out. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #159

My kid says some of the same things. renie408 Nov 2012 #161

OP #43 on "Help me, DU, against this CRITICISM OF OBAMA WHICH I'M COMPELLED TO POST.." WinkyDink Nov 2012 #162

No... renie408 Nov 2012 #169

Tell him to ask Mitt Romney for a loan. JoePhilly Nov 2012 #164

Drones are bad, but they're the future. They kill dozens of innocents... Bucky Nov 2012 #172

No one in this thread is offering a solution or a plan. reusrename Nov 2012 #173

The Supreme Court did NOT do those things. Savannahmann Nov 2012 #182

The facts are what they are. reusrename Nov 2012 #188

Pfui Savannahmann Nov 2012 #191

Well he's right. Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #177

Life is always choosing the lesser of two evils because every single one of us is flawed. pnwmom Nov 2012 #178

It's not just that one of his drone strikes killed an American citizen Time for change Nov 2012 #185

Send him to an upper level poly sci class. DevonRex Nov 2012 #187

Perhaps we should consider the message. Savannahmann Nov 2012 #190

What do you say to him? Tell him he's right! But also tell him that if we nominated a candidate he Texas Lawyer Nov 2012 #192

here: bu$h* STARTED two wars....Obama ENDED two wars...startling difference spanone Nov 2012 #194