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peggysue2

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32. His comments are only tone deaf if . . .
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 03:34 PM
Oct 2023

we disregard the true danger of the moment. I don't argue the bloated nature of our defense expenditures over time--projects gone bad, hideously over-priced equipment and probably corrupt intermediaries. But . . .

This is a moment we cannot shrug off or wave our hands around in virtue-signaling. The threat is real. The danger is close, as in right in our back yard with these on-going coup maneuvers. If our allies need help, we provide it. Root causes need to be dealt with but right now we must neutralize the situation to stop the killing be it in Israel, Ukraine, etc.

As far as asking my neighbors or taking a poll? I don't think either route is appropriate when we're talking about doing the right thing, the necessary thing to protect our democracy.

It's all about the framing. I think if you asked most Americans if they supported democratic governance, the vast majority would say, Yes, absolutely. Well, it doesn't come free.

On the other hand, there are many projects in the United States, people and well-being projects, desperately needing funding and attention.

However, if we lose our democracy? None of that will matter. Ever again.

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Do you have a source? SharonClark Oct 2023 #1
Yes, recent speech randr Oct 2023 #2
A real source? Like a video or transcript of his exact words? SharonClark Oct 2023 #5
New York Times has a transcript Sympthsical Oct 2023 #6
The masters of war continue to place profit over progress randr Oct 2023 #10
IMHO that's Fox news style willful misinterpretation of what Biden said. emulatorloo Oct 2023 #14
Big profits womanofthehills Oct 2023 #48
Thank you. SharonClark Oct 2023 #34
Only the greedy MIC and other profiteers benefit from war. All humanity fails. Magoo48 Oct 2023 #41
While I am not a fan of militarism, I can't see that as a "plus side of war". Caliman73 Oct 2023 #42
Oh, I agree Sympthsical Oct 2023 #43
We sell weapons to 103 nations womanofthehills Oct 2023 #49
He said it would help companies in TX, PA and OH BeyondGeography Oct 2023 #3
But it may appeal to Republicans in the House, who he needs to win votes from LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #7
Probably has to do with the people saying it hurts the US JI7 Oct 2023 #4
That is how I took his comments sarisataka Oct 2023 #28
Not just them - we sell to 103 nations womanofthehills Oct 2023 #50
And if those countries didn't buy from the US they would get them from China or Russia etc EX500rider Oct 2023 #52
What choice do we have? They can eat our civilization, or we can assist in fighting them. bucolic_frolic Oct 2023 #8
That has eternally been the question randr Oct 2023 #9
Just Because Someone Makes Money Off It Doesn't Mean It Oughtn't Be Done The Magistrate Oct 2023 #11
the objectionable thing isn't that someone's making money. That's a canard. bigtree Oct 2023 #15
Seems More Honesty Than Offense To Me, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2023 #17
so it's to the point that money spent isn't a burden to the U.S. bigtree Oct 2023 #33
In The Political Present, Sir, It Is A Useful Point The Magistrate Oct 2023 #44
cart leading the horse bigtree Oct 2023 #53
Seems to me SteveX Oct 2023 #12
It's horrifying. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #13
So.. of everything he said, that was all you heard? Srkdqltr Oct 2023 #16
It's not like we don't have enough weapons to blow up the fucking world yet. Amirite? Autumn Oct 2023 #22
Of course. He said that too. Wish I knew how to fix it. Srkdqltr Oct 2023 #23
I'm at the point where I want to hear him tell Hamas and Israel to work it out, or not. Autumn Oct 2023 #25
Of course you're at that point. You've got nothing to lose. MyNameIsJonas Oct 2023 #26
Israel is not my country. Palestine in not my country. The United states of America is my Autumn Oct 2023 #29
I beg your pardon randr Oct 2023 #46
The part of the speech that was quoted above was in reference to Ukraine vs. Russia. W_HAMILTON Oct 2023 #38
There is a huge difference between what is going on between the Ukraine and Russia and what has been going Autumn Oct 2023 #40
No, I heard a man I am proud of randr Oct 2023 #35
"patriotic workers are building the arsenal of democracy" leftstreet Oct 2023 #18
What's the problem with that statement? Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #19
It was an effective statement during WWII leftstreet Oct 2023 #20
production for use bigtree Oct 2023 #21
If we lived in a perfect world, there would be no need for weapons peggysue2 Oct 2023 #24
Americans are against more money for the military leftstreet Oct 2023 #31
His comments are only tone deaf if . . . peggysue2 Oct 2023 #32
Biden is very skilled in tough political waters ismnotwasm Oct 2023 #27
It does maybe jar, but I think he's just stating a fact. Emrys Oct 2023 #30
Any worker who can weld and build a navy ship or fighter plane... WarGamer Oct 2023 #36
there are people who claim WWII got us out of the depression treestar Oct 2023 #37
WW11 did lift us out of a depression randr Oct 2023 #47
No he did not suggest a plus side to war Progressive dog Oct 2023 #39
No. betsuni Oct 2023 #45
No. revmclaren Oct 2023 #51
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