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In reply to the discussion: Melissa Harris Perry Just Said: "It's Reasonable To Raise the Retirement Age" [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)39. This is nonsense
The media and "fact checkers" seem to have missed it, but President Obama implicitly called for cutting Social Security by 3 percent and phasing in an increase in the normal retirement age to 69 when he again endorsed the deficit reduction plan put forward by Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson, the co-chairs of his deficit commission.
President Obama didn't endorse Bowles-Simpson. The proposal was policy soup. There are things in it, like increasing the cap, that appeal to some, but the overall proposal was voted down because there was a lot wrong in it.
Here is the President's actual position:
President Obama: Medicare and Social Security Are Not Handouts
Speaking by sattelite at the AARP's annual conference on Friday, President Obama took a subtle jab at Mitt Romney's claim that 47 percent of Americans were "victims" who saw themselves as "entitled" to food, housing, and health care, among other things.
"There's been a lot of talk about Medicare and Social Security in this campaign, as there should be," Obama said. "And these are bedrock commitments that Americas makes to its seniors, and I consider those commitments unshakable. But, given the conversations that have been out there in the political arena lately, I want to emphasize, Medicare and Social Security are not handouts. You've paid into these programs your whole lives. You've earned them."
Obama suggested that Social Security's finances could be "put on more stable footing" in part by raising the cap on taxable income. He dismissed as flatly "not true attacks from Romney on $716 billion in Medicare savings included in the Affordable Care Act (and Paul Ryan's budgets), saying that it "strengthened" the program.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/president-obama-medicare-social-security-are-not-handouts
Speaking by sattelite at the AARP's annual conference on Friday, President Obama took a subtle jab at Mitt Romney's claim that 47 percent of Americans were "victims" who saw themselves as "entitled" to food, housing, and health care, among other things.
"There's been a lot of talk about Medicare and Social Security in this campaign, as there should be," Obama said. "And these are bedrock commitments that Americas makes to its seniors, and I consider those commitments unshakable. But, given the conversations that have been out there in the political arena lately, I want to emphasize, Medicare and Social Security are not handouts. You've paid into these programs your whole lives. You've earned them."
Obama suggested that Social Security's finances could be "put on more stable footing" in part by raising the cap on taxable income. He dismissed as flatly "not true attacks from Romney on $716 billion in Medicare savings included in the Affordable Care Act (and Paul Ryan's budgets), saying that it "strengthened" the program.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/president-obama-medicare-social-security-are-not-handouts
From the President's DNC speech:
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Now, Im still eager to reach an agreement based on the principles of my bipartisan debt commission. No party has a monopoly on wisdom. No democracy works without compromise. I want to get this done, and we can get it done. But when Governor Romney and his friends in Congress tell us we can somehow lower our deficits by spending trillions more on new tax breaks for the wealthy, well, what did Bill Clinton call it -- you do the arithmetic. (Applause.) You do the math. (Applause.)
I refuse to go along with that and as long as Im President, I never will. (Applause.) I refuse to ask middle-class families to give up their deductions for owning a home or raising their kids just to pay for another millionaires tax cut. (Applause.)
I refuse to ask students to pay more for college, or kick children out of Head Start programs, or eliminate health insurance for millions of Americans who are poor and elderly or disabled -- all so those with the most can pay less. Im not going along with that. (Applause.)
And I will never -- I will never -- turn Medicare into a voucher. (Applause.) No American should ever have to spend their golden years at the mercy of insurance companies. They should retire with the care and the dignity that they have earned. Yes, we will reform and strengthen Medicare for the long haul, but well do it by reducing the cost of health care -- not by asking seniors to pay thousands of dollars more. (Applause.)
And we will keep the promise of Social Security by taking the responsible steps to strengthen it, not by turning it over to Wall Street. (Applause.)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/07/remarks-president-democratic-national-convention
Now, Im still eager to reach an agreement based on the principles of my bipartisan debt commission. No party has a monopoly on wisdom. No democracy works without compromise. I want to get this done, and we can get it done. But when Governor Romney and his friends in Congress tell us we can somehow lower our deficits by spending trillions more on new tax breaks for the wealthy, well, what did Bill Clinton call it -- you do the arithmetic. (Applause.) You do the math. (Applause.)
I refuse to go along with that and as long as Im President, I never will. (Applause.) I refuse to ask middle-class families to give up their deductions for owning a home or raising their kids just to pay for another millionaires tax cut. (Applause.)
I refuse to ask students to pay more for college, or kick children out of Head Start programs, or eliminate health insurance for millions of Americans who are poor and elderly or disabled -- all so those with the most can pay less. Im not going along with that. (Applause.)
And I will never -- I will never -- turn Medicare into a voucher. (Applause.) No American should ever have to spend their golden years at the mercy of insurance companies. They should retire with the care and the dignity that they have earned. Yes, we will reform and strengthen Medicare for the long haul, but well do it by reducing the cost of health care -- not by asking seniors to pay thousands of dollars more. (Applause.)
And we will keep the promise of Social Security by taking the responsible steps to strengthen it, not by turning it over to Wall Street. (Applause.)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/07/remarks-president-democratic-national-convention
How President Obama and Mitt Romney compare on preserving Social Security for Americas seniors
October 5, 2012
In the first debate, Mitt Romney sacrificed the facts in order to mislead and confuse voters about where he stands on important issues to the middle class. On one issueSocial Securityits worth clarifying where President Obama and Governor Romney agree and where they disagree. Both President Obama and Mitt Romney know that the program is solvent for more than two decades and that theres a need for gradual reforms to the benefits that millions of seniors have worked for, paid for, and earned. But thats where their agreement ends.
While President Obama is committed to keeping the promise of guaranteed Social Security benefits for current and future generations, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have supported plans to privatize the program, and have put forward a plan that would slash benefits for current workers. Here are the key differences between the Presidents and Romney-Ryans approach to Social Security:
Obama-Biden
The President knows that guaranteed Social Security benefits are not handouts, but a bedrock of the commitment to retirement security America makes to our seniors. He believes that no current beneficiaries should see their basic benefits reduced, and he will not accept any approach that slashes benefits for future generations. President Obama stands firmly opposed to privatizing Social Securitythe future security of hard-working Americans should not be dependent on the fluctuations of the stock market. That is why the President has called on Congress to develop a bipartisan plan that follows these principles:
Mitt Romney is taking a starkly different approach to Social Securityhe refuses to ask the wealthy to pay their fair share, and is proposing to close Social Security shortfalls through benefit cuts alone. As Nobel Prize-winning economist Peter Diamond and former OMB director Peter Orszag noted, his plan insists that any reform prohibit additional revenue, and thus relies on excessive benefit cuts that would undermine financial security for future retirees. Analysis of a similar plan showed that typical workers in their forties would lose $2,400 a year, and workers in their twenties would lose $4,700 a year in future benefits. Romneys running mate Paul Ryan was even the architect of a privatization plan that would have left seniors benefits devastated by the 2008 financial crisis.
The choice is clear: President Obama will never privatize Social Security or undermine retirement security for middle-class Americans. The same cannot be said for Romney.
http://www.barackobama.com/truth-team/entry/how-president-obama-and-mitt-romney-compare-on-preserving-social-security-f
October 5, 2012
In the first debate, Mitt Romney sacrificed the facts in order to mislead and confuse voters about where he stands on important issues to the middle class. On one issueSocial Securityits worth clarifying where President Obama and Governor Romney agree and where they disagree. Both President Obama and Mitt Romney know that the program is solvent for more than two decades and that theres a need for gradual reforms to the benefits that millions of seniors have worked for, paid for, and earned. But thats where their agreement ends.
While President Obama is committed to keeping the promise of guaranteed Social Security benefits for current and future generations, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have supported plans to privatize the program, and have put forward a plan that would slash benefits for current workers. Here are the key differences between the Presidents and Romney-Ryans approach to Social Security:
Obama-Biden
The President knows that guaranteed Social Security benefits are not handouts, but a bedrock of the commitment to retirement security America makes to our seniors. He believes that no current beneficiaries should see their basic benefits reduced, and he will not accept any approach that slashes benefits for future generations. President Obama stands firmly opposed to privatizing Social Securitythe future security of hard-working Americans should not be dependent on the fluctuations of the stock market. That is why the President has called on Congress to develop a bipartisan plan that follows these principles:
- Any reform should strengthen Social Security for future generations and restore long-term solvency.
- The administration will oppose any measures that privatize or weaken the Social Security system.
- While all measures to strengthen solvency should be on the table, the administration will not accept an approach that slashes benefits for future generations.
- No current beneficiaries should see their basic benefits reduced.
- Reforms should strengthen retirement security for the most vulnerable, including low-income seniors.
- Reform should maintain robust disability and survivors benefits.
Mitt Romney is taking a starkly different approach to Social Securityhe refuses to ask the wealthy to pay their fair share, and is proposing to close Social Security shortfalls through benefit cuts alone. As Nobel Prize-winning economist Peter Diamond and former OMB director Peter Orszag noted, his plan insists that any reform prohibit additional revenue, and thus relies on excessive benefit cuts that would undermine financial security for future retirees. Analysis of a similar plan showed that typical workers in their forties would lose $2,400 a year, and workers in their twenties would lose $4,700 a year in future benefits. Romneys running mate Paul Ryan was even the architect of a privatization plan that would have left seniors benefits devastated by the 2008 financial crisis.
The choice is clear: President Obama will never privatize Social Security or undermine retirement security for middle-class Americans. The same cannot be said for Romney.
http://www.barackobama.com/truth-team/entry/how-president-obama-and-mitt-romney-compare-on-preserving-social-security-f
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Melissa Harris Perry Just Said: "It's Reasonable To Raise the Retirement Age" [View all]
Oilwellian
Nov 2012
OP
Sounds good...I for one will need it in my efforts to stop them from raising the retirement age.
haikugal
Nov 2012
#1
Yep, what's good for the other guy doesn't effect them, so what the hell, screw the
RKP5637
Nov 2012
#131
I'm not very impressed with America and its race to the bottom either. US = United Stupidity! n/t
RKP5637
Nov 2012
#136
Many people aren't as base as you imagine them. Look at rich people, many WANT to pay higher taxes
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#164
Do you know that the ACA removes the asset test for Medicaid? Theoretically, you could have
kelly1mm
Nov 2012
#211
irrelevant. it's not a need-based program. and the fraction of SS money going to
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#64
I agree but there's another DU post today that did the math and found the increase in costs
Squinch
Nov 2012
#130
Means testing is not required, it causes too many problems anyway. Greatly increase or
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#140
MHP has loads of money, of course it would be fine for her. But I am surprised to
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2012
#12
I just had a friend pushed out of a bond rating agency afer 25 yrs. New young boss just swept..
Walk away
Nov 2012
#146
You want another, more recent quote. Just be patient. He'll get to it.
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#145
"Lieberman is pushing for the increase in eligibility age." That's a surprise.
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#147
If Obamacare develops properly, and everyone is covered, the Medicare kick-in won't be as critical.
Zen Democrat
Nov 2012
#15
Forced to give money to insurance companies? Maybe that trickle-down theory will work this time.
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#149
Yes, and people not old enough for Medicare have to give up all discretionary income.
eridani
Nov 2012
#218
What's her phucking contact? That's MY life she's talking about there, grrrrrrr.....
patrice
Nov 2012
#26
You can go to msnbc.com and get onto her web page. I'm sure there is a place to contact her.
CTyankee
Nov 2012
#42
"Normal retirement age" for me is 67... the thought of 69 is mind-boggling.
WorseBeforeBetter
Nov 2012
#95
I want to hear the whole story...not a sound bite. Those complaining probably don't even know what
judesedit
Nov 2012
#41
How is that the responsibility of the workers over 65? None of that should be any factor in their
RB TexLa
Nov 2012
#139
I agree. I'll wait to see what she said in context before I take this too seriously.
grantcart
Nov 2012
#77
So nice you can have income from 2 or 3 sources and tell the most vulnerable to fuck off.
jtuck004
Nov 2012
#68
Everyone has something to contribute, regardless of education level.
WorseBeforeBetter
Nov 2012
#124
I think she hasn't seen this through the eyes of anyone with a physically demanding job.
Marrah_G
Nov 2012
#217
Brilliant! If everyone has a PhD, motel toilets will never need to be scrubbed out again! n/t
eridani
Nov 2012
#222
Oh, good fucking luck on that one. The people you address are defending this shit.
JVS
Nov 2012
#220
"Reasonable", IF case-by-case guidelines are applied AND a LOWERING of the age
SoCalDem
Nov 2012
#115
I have not a clue of where that came from, it would seem a poor reading of my post to
TheKentuckian
Nov 2012
#231
"The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor." Voltaire
Tierra_y_Libertad
Nov 2012
#138
To paraphrase Pelosi's candid statement from a different context, "That's off the table."
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#155
Isn't that inconsistent? You reasonable said "just raise the cap" (#151), but now you say that
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#161
Just the opposite, if they don't solve social security by raising the cap they are idiots. I
still_one
Nov 2012
#201
Agreed. If they don't solve social security by raising the cap they are idiots.
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#205
It's perfectly reasonable. How else are we going to pay for the endless wars?
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#153
I would like to Opt out of SS. I will keep paying into the system, but I won't need the money
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#159