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In reply to the discussion: Melissa Harris Perry Just Said: "It's Reasonable To Raise the Retirement Age" [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)76. "Reid & Pelosi agreed to TRY to support Obama's taking Boehner's final deal."
From the WaPo article linked:
Working late into the evening, Obama asked someone to get Boehner on the phone. His message: Ill take your last offer.
Mr. President, Boehner answered, we dont have time to reopen these negotiations.
White House officials said this week that the offer is still on the table.
The following night, Obama delivered a prime-time address from the East Room to update Americans on the status of the talks. He left no doubt about whom he intended to blame for the failure of the grand bargain.
The only reason a deal is not on its way to becoming law, he said, is because a significant number of Republicans in Congress are insisting on a different approach a cuts-only approach an approach that doesnt ask the wealthiest Americans or biggest corporations to contribute anything at all.
Mr. President, Boehner answered, we dont have time to reopen these negotiations.
White House officials said this week that the offer is still on the table.
The following night, Obama delivered a prime-time address from the East Room to update Americans on the status of the talks. He left no doubt about whom he intended to blame for the failure of the grand bargain.
The only reason a deal is not on its way to becoming law, he said, is because a significant number of Republicans in Congress are insisting on a different approach a cuts-only approach an approach that doesnt ask the wealthiest Americans or biggest corporations to contribute anything at all.
Wait, so it was Boehner's offer, not the President's?
These stories are speculative, anonymous bullshit. Here's another from the same period.
The Republican version of reality goes, briefly, like this: Boehner and Obama shook hands on a far-reaching deal to rewrite the tax code, roll back the cost of entitlements and slash deficits. But then Obama, reacting to pressure from Democrats in Congress, panicked at the last minute and suddenly demanded that Republicans accede to hundreds of billions of dollars in additional tax revenue. A frustrated Boehner no longer believed he could trust the presidents word, and he walked away. Obama moved the goal posts, is the Republican mantra.
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On entitlements too they had moved closer to a final deal. The White House agreed to cut at least $250 billion from Medicare in the next 10 years and another $800 billion in the decade after that, in part by raising the eligibility age. The administration had endorsed another $110 billion or so in cuts to Medicaid and other health care programs, with $250 billion more in the second decade. And in a move certain to provoke rebellion in the Democratic ranks, Obama was willing to apply a new, less generous formula for calculating Social Security benefits, which would start in 2015. (The White House had rejected Boehners bid to raise the retirement age.) This wasnt quite enough for Boehner, nor was it as extensive as what the Gang of Six had proposed. But the speakers team didnt consider the differences to be insurmountable, assuming the two sides could also settle on a revenue number.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/magazine/obama-vs-boehner-who-killed-the-debt-deal.html
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On entitlements too they had moved closer to a final deal. The White House agreed to cut at least $250 billion from Medicare in the next 10 years and another $800 billion in the decade after that, in part by raising the eligibility age. The administration had endorsed another $110 billion or so in cuts to Medicaid and other health care programs, with $250 billion more in the second decade. And in a move certain to provoke rebellion in the Democratic ranks, Obama was willing to apply a new, less generous formula for calculating Social Security benefits, which would start in 2015. (The White House had rejected Boehners bid to raise the retirement age.) This wasnt quite enough for Boehner, nor was it as extensive as what the Gang of Six had proposed. But the speakers team didnt consider the differences to be insurmountable, assuming the two sides could also settle on a revenue number.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/magazine/obama-vs-boehner-who-killed-the-debt-deal.html
If the article is to be believed and taken at face value in its entirety, it appears the President rejected a proposal to raise the Social Security age.
I said in another thread, these discussions aren't so much about demanding the President protect Social Security as much as they are attempts to prove that he has no intention of doing so. That is why what he says will not matter to those pushing this angle. They'll simply parse his words and claim he still intends to cut the program. It will always be wait-and-see, just as it was during the President's first term.
Given that this would have ruined the President (Republicans would have had a field day), either Boehner is a fool or the President is shrewd.
Still, why not focus on what the President is saying now instead of harping on year-old anonymous reports?
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Melissa Harris Perry Just Said: "It's Reasonable To Raise the Retirement Age" [View all]
Oilwellian
Nov 2012
OP
Sounds good...I for one will need it in my efforts to stop them from raising the retirement age.
haikugal
Nov 2012
#1
Yep, what's good for the other guy doesn't effect them, so what the hell, screw the
RKP5637
Nov 2012
#131
I'm not very impressed with America and its race to the bottom either. US = United Stupidity! n/t
RKP5637
Nov 2012
#136
Many people aren't as base as you imagine them. Look at rich people, many WANT to pay higher taxes
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#164
Do you know that the ACA removes the asset test for Medicaid? Theoretically, you could have
kelly1mm
Nov 2012
#211
irrelevant. it's not a need-based program. and the fraction of SS money going to
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#64
I agree but there's another DU post today that did the math and found the increase in costs
Squinch
Nov 2012
#130
Means testing is not required, it causes too many problems anyway. Greatly increase or
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#140
MHP has loads of money, of course it would be fine for her. But I am surprised to
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2012
#12
I just had a friend pushed out of a bond rating agency afer 25 yrs. New young boss just swept..
Walk away
Nov 2012
#146
You want another, more recent quote. Just be patient. He'll get to it.
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#145
"Lieberman is pushing for the increase in eligibility age." That's a surprise.
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#147
If Obamacare develops properly, and everyone is covered, the Medicare kick-in won't be as critical.
Zen Democrat
Nov 2012
#15
Forced to give money to insurance companies? Maybe that trickle-down theory will work this time.
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#149
Yes, and people not old enough for Medicare have to give up all discretionary income.
eridani
Nov 2012
#218
What's her phucking contact? That's MY life she's talking about there, grrrrrrr.....
patrice
Nov 2012
#26
You can go to msnbc.com and get onto her web page. I'm sure there is a place to contact her.
CTyankee
Nov 2012
#42
"Normal retirement age" for me is 67... the thought of 69 is mind-boggling.
WorseBeforeBetter
Nov 2012
#95
I want to hear the whole story...not a sound bite. Those complaining probably don't even know what
judesedit
Nov 2012
#41
How is that the responsibility of the workers over 65? None of that should be any factor in their
RB TexLa
Nov 2012
#139
I agree. I'll wait to see what she said in context before I take this too seriously.
grantcart
Nov 2012
#77
So nice you can have income from 2 or 3 sources and tell the most vulnerable to fuck off.
jtuck004
Nov 2012
#68
Everyone has something to contribute, regardless of education level.
WorseBeforeBetter
Nov 2012
#124
I think she hasn't seen this through the eyes of anyone with a physically demanding job.
Marrah_G
Nov 2012
#217
Brilliant! If everyone has a PhD, motel toilets will never need to be scrubbed out again! n/t
eridani
Nov 2012
#222
Oh, good fucking luck on that one. The people you address are defending this shit.
JVS
Nov 2012
#220
"Reasonable", IF case-by-case guidelines are applied AND a LOWERING of the age
SoCalDem
Nov 2012
#115
I have not a clue of where that came from, it would seem a poor reading of my post to
TheKentuckian
Nov 2012
#231
"The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor." Voltaire
Tierra_y_Libertad
Nov 2012
#138
To paraphrase Pelosi's candid statement from a different context, "That's off the table."
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#155
Isn't that inconsistent? You reasonable said "just raise the cap" (#151), but now you say that
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#161
Just the opposite, if they don't solve social security by raising the cap they are idiots. I
still_one
Nov 2012
#201
Agreed. If they don't solve social security by raising the cap they are idiots.
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#205
It's perfectly reasonable. How else are we going to pay for the endless wars?
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#153
I would like to Opt out of SS. I will keep paying into the system, but I won't need the money
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#159