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Beastly Boy

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97. Do you think... perhaps... it's satire?

Mon Oct 23, 2023, 06:59 AM

Oct 2023

Maybe along the lines of "A Modest Proposal For preventing the Jews From being a Burthen to Humanity, and For making them Beneficial to the Publick"?

Judging by the responses, plenty of people are taking this seriously.

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"New Israel" , a not so modest proposal [View all] Pantagruel Oct 2023 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Oct 2023 #1

How in the world is this logical? TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #10

Logical doesn't mean RIGHT or the proper thing to do. WarGamer Oct 2023 #31

Israelis abandoning TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #48

BTW I made an OP a couple days ago asking what if the Palestinian could leave Gaza for new land... WarGamer Oct 2023 #51

No other country will accept Gaza refugees TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #53

Yes but in 2023... it'd be LOGICAL WarGamer Oct 2023 #55

The Palestinians would use their new home as a staging ground to attack Israel Yavin4 Oct 2023 #75

How about we act like all Palestinians aren't Hamas? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #126

Kind of like ... Straw Man Oct 2023 #156

Well, there were Germans that did all they could to counter the Nazis Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #159

Yes, there were. Straw Man Oct 2023 #163

That wasn't the tone of your original post. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #167

I think my tone has been consistent. Straw Man Oct 2023 #170

"work for a new governing body to get rid of Hamas" DFW Oct 2023 #183

The Gaza Refugees RobinA Oct 2023 #154

And in this case, it doesn't even mean 'logical'. Abolishinist Oct 2023 #78

Trail of Tears was not voluntary. Also, after removing wnylib Oct 2023 #83

IMO natural immigration to the area would be more like the US treestar Oct 2023 #105

Well, perhaps the word "terrorism" was not used in wnylib Oct 2023 #124

What other country was created by the UN and Britain treestar Oct 2023 #104

So, basically, ethnically clense the region of Jews. Behind the Aegis Oct 2023 #2

Devil's Advocate... what happened in 1947/1948? WarGamer Oct 2023 #8

The ethnic cleansing of Jews in the ME? Behind the Aegis Oct 2023 #11

Devils Advocate means... WarGamer Oct 2023 #22

That is NOT what Devil's Advocate means. Behind the Aegis Oct 2023 #35

I didn't propose it and don't support it. WarGamer Oct 2023 #38

WHATABOUTISM Behind the Aegis Oct 2023 #41

I'm not going to teach a course here... WarGamer Oct 2023 #42

BTW I literally made an OP a few days ago... WarGamer Oct 2023 #44

two reasons... Bucky Oct 2023 #95

I have been H2O Man Oct 2023 #67

Very true. Both world wars broke up old empires around the world. wnylib Oct 2023 #86

I talk with H2O Man Oct 2023 #89

Yup. And regarding Palestine, it looks like Britain was trying to hedge its bets wnylib Oct 2023 #90

Let me interject an idea here. Bet TPTB in 1947-48 wish they could do a "mulligan" (a re-do),... brush Oct 2023 #108

There are a few problems with that. wnylib Oct 2023 #132

Wasn't the idea for Jews from all over to come there? brush Oct 2023 #133

Yes. Here are Israel's policies regarding immigration snd citizenship. wnylib Oct 2023 #139

all true and a fascinating topic. WarGamer Oct 2023 #114

I used to love H2O Man Oct 2023 #117

as you know... WarGamer Oct 2023 #118

The Arabs and Palestinians refused to accept the partition.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #99

That is exactly right. And the elephant in the room is that JohnSJ Oct 2023 #13

Yup. Behind the Aegis Oct 2023 #15

Yes JohnSJ Oct 2023 #17

Well, It Seems RobinA Oct 2023 #161

It is an ulikely proposal to be sure but, Disaffected Oct 2023 #21

"Surely it would be voluntary, not forced." Behind the Aegis Oct 2023 #24

That is one way of looking at it but, Disaffected Oct 2023 #33

It has been used throughout by all parties concerned moniss Oct 2023 #177

Yes, thanks. Some seem to WANT to read the worst into the question. elleng Oct 2023 #34

Yes, sadly the case. Disaffected Oct 2023 #36

Yeah - And, it's not like Israel is a new country. Oneironaut Oct 2023 #68

Do you think... perhaps... it's satire? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #97

It's been working with Egypt, UAE, Jordan JI7 Oct 2023 #3

Perhaps a small problem: Israel is where Israel is, and not wherever this "New Israel" is RockRaven Oct 2023 #4

This can't be a serious proposal TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #5

Hint: anything riffing off the name "Modest Proposal" intentionally isn't meant to be taken literally Bucky Oct 2023 #96

If we are grading "on the curve", ... stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #111

'a safer location' where? elleng Oct 2023 #6

So, what piece of "land rich" US would you give them? Sogo Oct 2023 #7

The where? Pantagruel Oct 2023 #19

I'm not sure what you expected while advocating to ethnically cleanse Israel of Jews tritsofme Oct 2023 #20

Are You Purposely RobinA Oct 2023 #162

Not sure what to tell you, "outside the box" or not, OP proposes the definition of ethnic cleansing tritsofme Oct 2023 #164

Do you think expecting 8,000,000 people to voluntaruly leave their ancestral homeland is a serious proposal? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2023 #192

I guess I should have used this smilie: Sogo Oct 2023 #23

Utah makes sense. Maybe the LDS church can persuade the Jews about Jesus. It could work. Kennah Oct 2023 #29

Yeah sure, a Bright Red state will willfully go along, ensuring that they will turn Blue n/t Polybius Oct 2023 #45

If people wanted to live in those places people would be living in them already. Ocelot II Oct 2023 #61

Add mine to make post #6. wnylib Oct 2023 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2023 #175

What happens to Jews who don't want to leave? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2023 #190

I'd be a little careful here. Disaffected Oct 2023 #9

The question is: LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #12

We know what Hamas wants. The extermination of all Jews JohnSJ Oct 2023 #16

Seems you only are addressing HALF of the question. Behind the Aegis Oct 2023 #18

The disingenuousness of some of these replies have been shocking to read. n/t musicblind Oct 2023 #80

What I read inthewind21 Oct 2023 #150

I Read The OP RobinA Oct 2023 #165

You call it impratcial, I call it bigoted. Behind the Aegis Oct 2023 #169

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2023 #14

Hey cool let's give the terrorists everything they dream of unblock Oct 2023 #25

Hate to break it to you inthewind21 Oct 2023 #151

Huh? unblock Oct 2023 #174

About 25 percent of Israeli Citizens are non Jewish JI7 Oct 2023 #26

"just looking to logically end this horrible insanity" Earth-shine Oct 2023 #27

"This cannot be brought to an end based solely on reason and rationality." Pantagruel Oct 2023 #47

Perhaps you are just someone who has no attachment to either side or actual knowledge of history. Earth-shine Oct 2023 #50

You got better solutions? Pantagruel Oct 2023 #52

People far more knowledgeable and concerned than you and I have worked on it, and continue to do so. Earth-shine Oct 2023 #59

Huh inthewind21 Oct 2023 #152

You are a day late and a dollar short with this response. Earth-shine Oct 2023 #153

Your solution is akin to the final solution. onenote Oct 2023 #69

I am... speechless Dorian Gray Oct 2023 #91

Imagine there's no countries. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #197

It Will ONLY RobinA Oct 2023 #168

The hate, attacks, and terrorism have been going on for thousands of years. Who are we to think we can stop it? Earth-shine Oct 2023 #171

Perhaps they could move to outer space (and have lasers) Bucky Oct 2023 #28

No, the lasers are reserved for the sharks to wear on their heads... nt yagotme Oct 2023 #40

That piece of dirt is connected to several of the world's religions, and that's unlikely to change soon Kennah Oct 2023 #30

Perfectly rational. BootinUp Oct 2023 #32

This is an intellectual exercise. Pantagruel Oct 2023 #37

We will all go together ... BootinUp Oct 2023 #56

National Brotherhood Week lapfog_1 Oct 2023 #76

Your intellectual Dorian Gray Oct 2023 #92

This part of the world has been at war with one another for close to 3,000 years. ProudMNDemocrat Oct 2023 #39

Jordan is 55% "Palestinian". sellitman Oct 2023 #43

Is it not the case however that Disaffected Oct 2023 #46

Yes, and people ignore when that is brought up JI7 Oct 2023 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author debm55 Oct 2023 #49

It would be against their will. Just about anyone can leave Israel now. Those that want Silent Type Oct 2023 #54

There will be reasons where any proposed location is not already inhabited, Ocelot II Oct 2023 #57

"land where nobody wants to live" Pantagruel Oct 2023 #60

There is that. calimary Oct 2023 #100

If the scheme depends on global warming to open up land Retrograde Oct 2023 #122

the time for such ideas came and went 75 years ago, maybe more 0rganism Oct 2023 #58

Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #65

Disagree. It is completely insane. onenote Oct 2023 #70

The idea isn't insane, it's anachronistic 0rganism Oct 2023 #72

Hmmm...how about Madagascar...? First Speaker Oct 2023 #62

Genius. Why didn't someone think of that before? speak easy Oct 2023 #73

There was a proposal to relocate Jews from nazi occupied Europe to Alaska. madaboutharry Oct 2023 #63

Please read Michael Chabon's excellent novel based on this premise! LauraInLA Oct 2023 #82

Didn't Andrew Jackson sarisataka Oct 2023 #64

I think that H2O Man Oct 2023 #66

75 years Pantagruel Oct 2023 #71

Given That Israel Was Originally Carved Out of Palestine T_A Oct 2023 #74

The biggest problem is religion lapfog_1 Oct 2023 #77

The Bible Is Not Reliable T_A Oct 2023 #93

The Old Testament was written in Hebrew. The NT in Greek. Aramaic was a language spoken in the region. (nt) LeftyLucie Oct 2023 #113

Sure T_A Oct 2023 #115

Actually T_A Oct 2023 #137

lol ... can you be more specific? To which "parts" exactly are you referring? LeftyLucie Oct 2023 #155

That Was Just One Of Many T_A Oct 2023 #157

I am unaware of any parts of the Bible being written in Aramaic, so please enlighten me. LeftyLucie Oct 2023 #160

Sorry T_A Oct 2023 #166

So what? Mosby Oct 2023 #178

Indeed T_A Oct 2023 #181

Again, so what? Mosby Oct 2023 #184

We Agree T_A Oct 2023 #185

Palestine was an area not a country. Mosby Oct 2023 #188

Check Post #74 T_A Oct 2023 #194

From his link: lapucelle Oct 2023 #195

And for some odd reason, many of the agenda-driven "histories" of the region lapucelle Oct 2023 #196

The Arab nations rejected a two state approach. onenote Oct 2023 #131

WHO T_A Oct 2023 #136

What nation was this "inside of"? brooklynite Oct 2023 #140

OK T_A Oct 2023 #143

But Palestine "the geography" wasn't Palestine "a State for Palestinians" brooklynite Oct 2023 #145

The Balfour Declaration States "IN PALESTINE" T_A Oct 2023 #146

And what was also "in Palestine" was a home for the Palestinian people. brooklynite Oct 2023 #148

Please don't blame Logic. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #79

Math problem. Not all "the 400 million Arabs" hate the Israelis. question everything Oct 2023 #81

There are a lot of problems with your proposal LostOne4Ever Oct 2023 #84

A lot more complicated than that. Xolodno Oct 2023 #87

"israel in Africa" was a proposal by the Nazi's... brooklynite Oct 2023 #98

Yes, I remember that one. Xolodno Oct 2023 #134

Uganda was accepted by the 1st Zionist council radicalleft Oct 2023 #173

A New Israel elsewhere has been proposed before. Aussie105 Oct 2023 #94

The center of Australia... inviting? sarisataka Oct 2023 #101

Looks like a problem for which there is no solution. calimary Oct 2023 #102

I don't believe there is. Disaffected Oct 2023 #106

Yep. Sad to say. calimary Oct 2023 #109

That is the crux of the matter. Disaffected Oct 2023 #112

Oh, but you'll love this one... Bucky Oct 2023 #123

Promised Land... Mike Nelson Oct 2023 #103

How about they get repatriated to EUrope WhiteTara Oct 2023 #107

How would you feel about a proposal to "repatriate" Black Americans to Africa? onenote Oct 2023 #142

It's too late now of course WhiteTara Oct 2023 #147

The majority of Jews in Israel are from North Africa. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2023 #187

REally? Where? I thought WhiteTara Oct 2023 #189

Here DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2023 #191

In Israel Johnny2X2X Oct 2023 #110

Nope. Nosir. Never. Not gon' do it. Bonx Oct 2023 #116

I agree anamnua Oct 2023 #119

Which US state shall we sacrifice? pinkstarburst Oct 2023 #120

The United States of Judea... AntiFascist Oct 2023 #121

Removing Israel destabilizes the region manicdem Oct 2023 #125

a more likely propsale involves flattening the holy sites in jerusalem moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #127

makes as much sense as bringing back the Ottoman Empire DBoon Oct 2023 #128

And following your "logic" is this what comes next? Relocating American Jews? onenote Oct 2023 #129

Echoes of history sarisataka Oct 2023 #130

I've got a great idea to solve the "Jewish Question"... AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #172

This is not an original thought, however PCIntern Oct 2023 #135

Such out-of-the-box thinking! Now do the US FBaggins Oct 2023 #138

Actually, that was what Liberia was established for. brooklynite Oct 2023 #141

Yep! And did it solve the problem? FBaggins Oct 2023 #158

Absolutely ridiculous. lostnfound Oct 2023 #144

Shades of Madagascar in WWII yankee87 Oct 2023 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author Thinker Cats Oct 2023 #176

You want to put Jews on a resevation. Mosby Oct 2023 #179

Doesn't really matter in the long run. haele Oct 2023 #180

How about Sheldon's idea? Oneironaut Oct 2023 #182

Random points DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2023 #186

What makes you think that they would be happy mercuryblues Oct 2023 #193