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WorseBeforeBetter

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113. Wrong. Not all people.

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:55 PM

Nov 2012

Life Expectancy of the Living Dead
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/13/life-expectancy-of-the-living-dead/

Life, Death and Deficits
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/opinion/life-death-and-deficits.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0

"Now, life expectancy at age 65 has risen, too. But the rise has been very uneven since the 1970s, with only the relatively affluent and well-educated seeing large gains. Bear in mind, too, that the full retirement age has already gone up to 66 and is scheduled to rise to 67 under current law.

This means that any further rise in the retirement age would be a harsh blow to Americans in the bottom half of the income distribution, who aren’t living much longer, and who, in many cases, have jobs requiring physical effort that’s difficult even for healthy seniors. And these are precisely the people who depend most on Social Security."

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Melissa Harris Perry Just Said: "It's Reasonable To Raise the Retirement Age" [View all] Oilwellian Nov 2012 OP

Sounds good...I for one will need it in my efforts to stop them from raising the retirement age. haikugal Nov 2012 #1

Yes, there are many here who are in denial Oilwellian Nov 2012 #4

I agree. FredStembottom Nov 2012 #73

It won't be a problem for her or anyone close to her, so Fumesucker Nov 2012 #2

When you make the media part of the 1%... Oilwellian Nov 2012 #6

Yep. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #45

Yep, what's good for the other guy doesn't effect them, so what the hell, screw the RKP5637 Nov 2012 #131

Thank you! We do not need wealthy people Riley18 Nov 2012 #3

+1. And among those wealthy, the well-manicured and coiffed media pundits. freshwest Nov 2012 #107

K&R !!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2012 #135

It isn't just laborers who get fired when they reach 60-65 JDPriestly Nov 2012 #200

There goes another rug liberal N proud Nov 2012 #5

Here's the scenario my husband & I are looking at Oilwellian Nov 2012 #10

That's not too much different than my wife and myself. liberal N proud Nov 2012 #16

I'm not very impressed with America and its race to the bottom either. US = United Stupidity! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2012 #136

Not if we stand up and fight them NOW. I am so sorry about sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #186

I agree 100 per cent with what you suggest...However, plethoro Nov 2012 #214

Why should millionaires and billionaires get SS? cilla4progress Nov 2012 #7

Means testing would be a good first step at completely eliminating the programs. dawg Nov 2012 #20

Many people aren't as base as you imagine them. Look at rich people, many WANT to pay higher taxes bluestate10 Nov 2012 #164

Of course many people aren't that base, but some are. dawg Nov 2012 #168

I think you make a great point Heather MC Nov 2012 #51

lousy idea unless your goal is to destroy both programs HiPointDem Nov 2012 #62

Do you know that the ACA removes the asset test for Medicaid? Theoretically, you could have kelly1mm Nov 2012 #211

they heaven05 Nov 2012 #55

irrelevant. it's not a need-based program. and the fraction of SS money going to HiPointDem Nov 2012 #64

They don't NEED to be reformed. And no need for the scare quotes around HiPointDem Nov 2012 #60

Social Security femrap Nov 2012 #85

I agree but there's another DU post today that did the math and found the increase in costs Squinch Nov 2012 #130

I thought that the femrap Nov 2012 #187

Because they paid into it, that's why eridani Nov 2012 #96

Bingo! It's simple, they paid into it and that should be the end sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #190

Because when they start means testing two things happen. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #103

Means testing is not required, it causes too many problems anyway. Greatly increase or Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #140

Don't worry. The rich pay higher taxes when they receive JDPriestly Nov 2012 #202

Introducing rightwing talking points is always useful. aquart Nov 2012 #227

Because they paid into it? merrily Nov 2012 #229

Any Congressman who goes after Medicare or Social Security will be out of lovuian Nov 2012 #8

And gifts for Twins!!!! nt Walk away Nov 2012 #24

I think they should look at okieinpain Nov 2012 #82

Senator Joe Biden voted "Yes" in 1983 to a SS age increase... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #101

Fine for whom? PETRUS Nov 2012 #9

+++++++ FredStembottom Nov 2012 #72

She's wrong, and ProSense Nov 2012 #11

Thanks, ProSense! Van Hollen is against tinkering on Social Security BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #35

And the catapults have arrived! Fuddnik Nov 2012 #126

MHP has loads of money, of course it would be fine for her. But I am surprised to Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #12

I have listened to MHP in the past, MrYikes Nov 2012 #13

Her qualifier was... Oilwellian Nov 2012 #23

And even if we were living longer, we aren't working longer. Walk away Nov 2012 #27

Hopefully people will okieinpain Nov 2012 #84

In what world are companies keeping employees into their sixties. Walk away Nov 2012 #117

ATC drivetrain. Okc, ok. okieinpain Nov 2012 #121

I just had a friend pushed out of a bond rating agency afer 25 yrs. New young boss just swept.. Walk away Nov 2012 #146

So what is she going to do. N/t. okieinpain Nov 2012 #152

She doesn't know. I spent the better part of the morning talking to her. Walk away Nov 2012 #172

OK Lasher Nov 2012 #14

Yeah, but the was BEFORE his landslide re-election Sedona Nov 2012 #18

You want another, more recent quote. Just be patient. He'll get to it. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #145

"According to five separate sources with knowledge of negotiations" ProSense Nov 2012 #19

If it's a year old it doesnt' count? Lasher Nov 2012 #31

It's a year old and from anonymous sources ProSense Nov 2012 #48

And it has never been denied by the President either. Lasher Nov 2012 #122

So? Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #137

I'll take a pass on your silly red herring. Lasher Nov 2012 #167

It's not silly...and you know it. Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #169

The hell I do. Lasher Nov 2012 #173

It's not a red-herring... Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #174

HuffPo vouched for their souces. Lasher Nov 2012 #176

Lying? Who knows... Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #178

How about Bob Woodward? Is he lying too? Lasher Nov 2012 #180

Bob Woodward? Really? Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #182

Do you think he forged the document he presented? Lasher Nov 2012 #184

I think he meant what he's meant all along... Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #185

The grand bargain was $2 in domestic program cuts for every $1 of revenue. Lasher Nov 2012 #194

Pretty much. For all you know, I'm Karl Rove. Drunken Irishman Nov 2012 #198

Hee hee Lasher Nov 2012 #210

It hasn't been denied by him either. What is so hard for him to sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #188

I'll have to look for this video clip Oilwellian Nov 2012 #21

"Lieberman is pushing for the increase in eligibility age." That's a surprise. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #147

If Obamacare develops properly, and everyone is covered, the Medicare kick-in won't be as critical. Zen Democrat Nov 2012 #15

+1000 OKNancy Nov 2012 #36

Obamacare is total and complete disaster for people aged 50-64 eridani Nov 2012 #100

+1 BuelahWitch Nov 2012 #114

Not that I disagree... physioex Nov 2012 #141

Forced to give money to insurance companies? Maybe that trickle-down theory will work this time. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #149

In a society, everyone has to give up something. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #165

Yes, and people not old enough for Medicare have to give up all discretionary income. eridani Nov 2012 #218

Oh, so the plan is "Don't get sick" JVS Nov 2012 #219

Ever notice it is never people with physically demanding jobs who say that? Marrah_G Nov 2012 #17

Why YES! upi402 Nov 2012 #30

Bingo Supersedeas Nov 2012 #203

Yep. Thinking the exact same thing here. n/t NCarolinawoman Nov 2012 #209

corporate media eom amborin Nov 2012 #22

She has hers so screw the rest of us that don't. Cass Nov 2012 #25

What's her phucking contact? That's MY life she's talking about there, grrrrrrr..... patrice Nov 2012 #26

You can go to msnbc.com and get onto her web page. I'm sure there is a place to contact her. CTyankee Nov 2012 #42

Will do. patrice Nov 2012 #50

But people on DU keep telling us that this isn't happening in our party. progressoid Nov 2012 #28

Some have. But not all people on DU. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #150

Was she just supporting Obama's position? upi402 Nov 2012 #29

Doesn't sound too extreme, to be honest... Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #32

Obama supporting making us work to 69 and cutting it 3% not extreme? upi402 Nov 2012 #34

This is nonsense ProSense Nov 2012 #39

Social Security doesn't need ANY kind of reform. PETRUS Nov 2012 #65

He called Reid & Pelosi to get them to take Boehner's final offer upi402 Nov 2012 #66

"Reid & Pelosi agreed to TRY to support Obama's taking Boehner's final deal." ProSense Nov 2012 #76

We need to hold Obama's feet to the fire so he doesn't betray us again upi402 Nov 2012 #87

How on earth ProSense Nov 2012 #90

Holy Crap Oilwellian Nov 2012 #43

"Normal retirement age" for me is 67... the thought of 69 is mind-boggling. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #95

I'm perfectly fine with never watching her show again. forestpath Nov 2012 #33

Did anyone write to her to let her know how her remarks came across? flamingdem Nov 2012 #37

Dear Melissa: NO, it's not. kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #38

I say it's perfectly fine for her to go fuck herself. Fuddnik Nov 2012 #40

I want to hear the whole story...not a sound bite. Those complaining probably don't even know what judesedit Nov 2012 #41

Are you accusing me of being a right wing mole? Oilwellian Nov 2012 #44

Thank you for lending reason to appacom Nov 2012 #86

! Fuddnik Nov 2012 #125

Easy enough. Provide the context you think changes things. DirkGently Nov 2012 #144

add Michael Tomasky to your list Enrique Nov 2012 #46

ROFL...Van Hollen isn't a Blue Dog? Oilwellian Nov 2012 #53

Contact Address Oilwellian Nov 2012 #47

Done. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #91

Done! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2012 #134

Raising the SS age throws our workforce out of whack trixie Nov 2012 #49

How is that the responsibility of the workers over 65? None of that should be any factor in their RB TexLa Nov 2012 #139

Unfortunately your theory isn't supported by current research mythology Nov 2012 #157

Since I didn't hear it for myself... OKNancy Nov 2012 #52

I agree. I'll wait to see what she said in context before I take this too seriously. grantcart Nov 2012 #77

when heaven05 Nov 2012 #54

I knew she was a sell-out when... Oilwellian Nov 2012 #56

mmmmm heaven05 Nov 2012 #61

Indeed. Blasphemer Nov 2012 #102

What a wonderful way to... 99Forever Nov 2012 #57

Thank you for your efforts. +100 HiPointDem Nov 2012 #58

Of course. We should raise the age to 110 then we would have a rhett o rick Nov 2012 #59

Does anyone.... anyone at all... talk about AlbertCat Nov 2012 #63

I don't care for this self-aggrandizing showoff and this is plethoro Nov 2012 #67

So nice you can have income from 2 or 3 sources and tell the most vulnerable to fuck off. jtuck004 Nov 2012 #68

Fuck you, Melissa. How DARE you say that!!!! It's not fine. nt valerief Nov 2012 #69

Thank-you! robinlynne Nov 2012 #70

Mellissa Harris Perry can kiss my ass. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #71

Tavis Smiley & Cornel West Do not like her at all............... kooljerk666 Nov 2012 #74

Nope, they don't and in my opinion, they have good reason.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2012 #97

I love democracynow for actual news coverage. haikugal Nov 2012 #224

MHP is wrong. PufPuf23 Nov 2012 #75

definitely separate Health Care from Employment. This Must Happen. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #94

INDEX EVERYTHING!. raise it for the 2% they can get it at 90. pansypoo53219 Nov 2012 #78

Lol there is nothing wrong okieinpain Nov 2012 #79

LOL, yes, nothing to see here Oilwellian Nov 2012 #108

Black male here. I have no fear of okieinpain Nov 2012 #120

Statistically, you are unlikely to live that long. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #212

Wrong. Not all people. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #113

Understood, but in your post it says okieinpain Nov 2012 #118

Everyone has something to contribute, regardless of education level. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #124

So you're saying that mhp has been okieinpain Nov 2012 #156

Melissa Harris-Perry doesn't impress me. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #163

I think she hasn't seen this through the eyes of anyone with a physically demanding job. Marrah_G Nov 2012 #217

Brilliant! If everyone has a PhD, motel toilets will never need to be scrubbed out again! n/t eridani Nov 2012 #222

It's a poorly thought out idea PETRUS Nov 2012 #128

You don't think any of those okieinpain Nov 2012 #154

The great big brains in DC PETRUS Nov 2012 #160

May I ask what sort of work you do? Marrah_G Nov 2012 #216

Bullshit. Life expectancies are decreasing for lower income people. eridani Nov 2012 #221

Was it the clip where she was talking about the fiscal cliff: ProSense Nov 2012 #80

Paul Krugman says it is cruel, foolish idea question everything Nov 2012 #81

Paul Krugman is right. GoCubsGo Nov 2012 #111

Video Oilwellian Nov 2012 #83

Thanks, this ProSense Nov 2012 #88

I didn't hear her say what you quoted her as saying in your unedited OP NNN0LHI Nov 2012 #89

Melissa Harris Perry: "If we look at Social Security for example... Oilwellian Nov 2012 #98

Highlight the passage where Melissa Harris Perry says: NNN0LHI Nov 2012 #105

I amended the quote once the video was available Oilwellian Nov 2012 #110

Is that stat right? treestar Nov 2012 #119

You have a good heart. PETRUS Nov 2012 #132

Well, forcing seniors to work until they are seventy-two is one of those Cleita Nov 2012 #92

I couldn't agree more. avaistheone1 Nov 2012 #93

And that's why we better be shouting back, right NOW n/t Oilwellian Nov 2012 #99

Here: ProSense Nov 2012 #104

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #106

That's easy to say when you spend your life behind a desk. GoCubsGo Nov 2012 #109

Time to Wake the Fuck UP. kenny blankenship Nov 2012 #112

... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #116

Indeed Oilwellian Nov 2012 #123

Oh, good fucking luck on that one. The people you address are defending this shit. JVS Nov 2012 #220

Well said...Thank You! haikugal Nov 2012 #225

"Reasonable", IF case-by-case guidelines are applied AND a LOWERING of the age SoCalDem Nov 2012 #115

Not even then. TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #127

So, we euthanize the "expendables"? SoCalDem Nov 2012 #133

I have not a clue of where that came from, it would seem a poor reading of my post to TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #231

Well, if they keep raising it no need to worry, everyone will be dead! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2012 #129

"The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor." Voltaire Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #138

++ Bookmarked. DirkGently Nov 2012 #142

Sounds reasonable from the comfort of her desk. Barack_America Nov 2012 #143

As Dubya put it: "....Won't get fooled again." This would doom HRC '16. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #148

just raise the cap, problem solved still_one Nov 2012 #151

To paraphrase Pelosi's candid statement from a different context, "That's off the table." AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #155

Then they are idiots if they really said that still_one Nov 2012 #158

Isn't that inconsistent? You reasonable said "just raise the cap" (#151), but now you say that AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #161

Just the opposite, if they don't solve social security by raising the cap they are idiots. I still_one Nov 2012 #201

Agreed. If they don't solve social security by raising the cap they are idiots. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #205

Appreciate the clarification still_one Nov 2012 #207

It's perfectly reasonable. How else are we going to pay for the endless wars? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #153

I would like to Opt out of SS. I will keep paying into the system, but I won't need the money bluestate10 Nov 2012 #159

Son of a fucking BITCH!!! WTF is wrong with B Calm Nov 2012 #162

ReRe says: It's reasonable to lower the retirement age ReRe Nov 2012 #166

F*** that. Too many people worked too hard to keep SS as it is. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #170

if the age was extended brokechris Nov 2012 #171

The rhetoric during the Grand Bargain negotiations last year was... Oilwellian Nov 2012 #175

thanks n/t brokechris Nov 2012 #179

But read up on Chained CPI. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #195

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #177

I'm sorry, but I despise that woman lbrtbell Nov 2012 #181

maybe 2 yrs in 15-20 yrs... madrchsod Nov 2012 #183

She wants to be on record for it when Obama offers that to repugs. MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #189

She was right on the point in context! n/t ProSense Nov 2012 #191

Disconnect somewhere BlueinOhio Nov 2012 #192

Erskine Bowles...Obama's Democratic Co-Chair for the Catfood Commission Oilwellian Nov 2012 #193

"There's also a lot of talk he may become Obama's next Treasury Secretary." ProSense Nov 2012 #197

It's interesting that a ProSense Nov 2012 #196

The propaganda is thick, indeed, even here at DU. woo me with science Nov 2012 #199

Unnecessary and unwise...there is no imminent threat posed by SS BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #204

It might work for some many laborers and other absolutely NOT!! Thekaspervote Nov 2012 #206

Thats not just mean, and stupid, it also wont save much DJ13 Nov 2012 #208

This was a great ad when it came out Oilwellian Nov 2012 #213

My reply to Melissa: dchill Nov 2012 #215

Dear Ms Harris-Perry theHandpuppet Nov 2012 #223

Oh right! Especially since there are SO-O many jobs out there 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #226

"Trial balloon"... nt Romulox Nov 2012 #228

to what? Skittles Nov 2012 #230