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muriel_volestrangler

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57. Yes, I think they would
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 07:20 AM
Oct 2023

It is, after all, often called a war crime these days:

This was by no means an unprecedented act by the Allies. In July 1943, long before Dresden, the Allies unleashed Operation Gomorrah, a protracted assault on Hamburg which literally melted the streets and incinerated people in searing, hurricane-strength winds. More than 20,000 died in just one night of the Hamburg campaign alone, and historians have compared it to the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Then there was the RAF bombing of Pforzheim, a German town, shortly after the Dresden onslaught, which killed almost a third of the population.

Questions have long been raised about the strategic legitimacy of attacks like these, and the later, apocalyptic attack on Tokyo in March 1945, which flattened the city and left around 100,000 dead. It’s Dresden which has attracted most attention by critics, as it was regarded as a capital of culture first and foremost, not a military target. As Victor Gregg, a British POW caught up in the firestorm later said, ‘The people of Dresden believed that as long as the Luftwaffe kept away from Oxford, Dresden would be spared.’

Dr Gregory Stanton, a scholar specialising in genocide, has classified the Dresden bombing as a war crime. Many other experts have agreed, and even suggested that Churchill himself could have been put on trial. German historian Jörg Friedrich, author of a book about the Allied bombings of German cities, went as far as saying ‘Churchill was the greatest child-slaughterer of all time.’
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But the potentially damning counterpoint to all of these technical justifications is that Bomber Harris was explicitly interested in terror as an objective in itself. He and other Allied strategists were frustrated by the relative failures of precision bombing raids and advocated massive area bombardments to kill civilians and shatter the enemy’s will. Harris was completely open and unashamed about this, and was actually impatient about other military bigwigs mincing their words about the ferocity of their attacks.

https://www.history.co.uk/article/was-the-destruction-of-dresden-an-allied-war-crime

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And where are the humans who lived there supposed to go? onecaliberal Oct 2023 #1
[Oops, wrong place.[ BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #2
That is one salient reason it might be seen as a form of genocide. /nt al bupp Oct 2023 #5
No maybe about it. onecaliberal Oct 2023 #6
Oh, please. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Thinker Cats Oct 2023 #41
I think you think we all think KS Toronado Oct 2023 #45
"This is a war" AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #53
Please look up the definition SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #55
One calls for it inthewind21 Oct 2023 #71
Again SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #78
Sorry if it was unclear. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #81
I wonder what the UN would have said about Allied bombing of Germany and Japan? former9thward Oct 2023 #8
Annex enid602 Oct 2023 #11
Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and a bunch of smaller terrorist groups Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #21
It's mostly women and children but if it makes you The_Casual_Observer Oct 2023 #83
Hamas and the other terrorist groups are mostly women and children? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #85
Twisting the response like that gets you nothing The_Casual_Observer Oct 2023 #86
I posted, Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #87
Citation please SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #29
Sorry enid602 Oct 2023 #35
Quite the opposite from what I have read: EX500rider Oct 2023 #39
Israeli news reported that Netanyahu had previously propped up Hamas at the expense of the Palestinian Authority... AntiFascist Oct 2023 #48
One media person said that Mosby Oct 2023 #88
Also, an Israeli visiting professor at Cornell... AntiFascist Oct 2023 #89
The Palestinians were offered deals in 2000, 2001, 2007 Mosby Oct 2023 #90
In 2019 Netanyahu even said as much during a meeting of the Likud party... AntiFascist Oct 2023 #91
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-war-israeli-foreign-minister-says-gaza-territory-will-shrink-after-war/ar-AA enid602 Oct 2023 #44
After the despicable terror attacks by Hamas, an expanded buffer zone seems eminently reasonable. tritsofme Oct 2023 #46
Really inthewind21 Oct 2023 #72
Yes, I think they would muriel_volestrangler Oct 2023 #57
The fire bombings of Dresden and Tokyo Voltaire2 Oct 2023 #60
Nope. The law is clear on that. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #14
They are not supposed to go anywhere. It is hamas military infrastructure that is supposed to go. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #15
Good question. Chuuku Davis Oct 2023 #49
I looked for the source. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #3
Fair point, but the UN has put their stamp on the claim al bupp Oct 2023 #4
The UN also put their stamp on the Palestinian Health Ministry fake report Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #12
And, in my experience "Democracy Now!" can't Cha Oct 2023 #19
Agreed. United Nations is the Democracy Now of international organizations. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #24
And, there they are both Cha Oct 2023 #25
Ah. There it is. Again... sigh. AloeVera Oct 2023 #40
lol, there is absolutely no smear. These morons uncritically repeated Hamas propaganda. tritsofme Oct 2023 #47
Suuuure Buddy. AloeVera Oct 2023 #51
You are calling the UN morons? AloeVera Oct 2023 #52
That's the truth. Sorry it irritates you. tritsofme Oct 2023 #67
You just proved my point. AloeVera Oct 2023 #56
The twists and turns of your narrative are so tortured, it is hard to see what you are critical of and why. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #66
Well I am not as well-versed in the art of debate as you appear to be but I do try to speak form my heart AloeVera Oct 2023 #68
The UN SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #31
Aren't you going to correct your post to read according to the Ministry of Housing in Gaza GuppyGal Oct 2023 #82
It is an important detail. nt BootinUp Oct 2023 #13
Oh "the ministry of Housing in Gaza said so? Cha Oct 2023 #17
I pretty much never watch BootinUp Oct 2023 #20
I have an acquaintance. who Cha Oct 2023 #23
I'd say, good call. nt BootinUp Oct 2023 #26
I stopped watching DN in 2014 because of lying about the Obama administration. betsuni Oct 2023 #42
Hamas also said they killed no civilians in Israel. Their figures are bullshit. dalton99a Oct 2023 #32
Sickening.. DemocratInPa Oct 2023 #9
The very minute hamas stops bombing the heck out of Israel. jimfields33 Oct 2023 #10
Because DemocratInPa Oct 2023 #27
I believe the leaders of Hamas should have jimfields33 Oct 2023 #30
Trap enid602 Oct 2023 #37
Oh inthewind21 Oct 2023 #74
And what caused October 7? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #54
Hamas! jimfields33 Oct 2023 #58
Hamas caused Hamas to attack on October 7th? AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #59
Nope. No justification for something almost 10 years ago. jimfields33 Oct 2023 #62
Of course there's not justification AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #63
I do agree with you on that point. jimfields33 Oct 2023 #64
Defend themselves how? The_Casual_Observer Oct 2023 #84
Is there anything that could cause you to deliberately shoot an innocent child? BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #69
Is there anything that could cause you to drop a bomb on an innocent child? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #76
Not with that purpose, of course not. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #79
Uh, NO inthewind21 Oct 2023 #77
Let me try and clarify what I meant. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #80
Hamas is not 'bombing the heck' out of Israel. Voltaire2 Oct 2023 #61
It's certainly not for want of trying. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #70
Yes, that could be the goal. Voltaire2 Oct 2023 #73
But, but, but, they need a pound of flesh because pushing these people to literally live on top of each other onecaliberal Oct 2023 #18
Really? A Shylock reference? Ouch. R0ckyRac00n Oct 2023 #38
They are getting less and less subtle. tritsofme Oct 2023 #50
I doubt most people realize that the expression.... TheRealNorth Oct 2023 #75
Isn't Hamas doing just that on a daily basis? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #22
There is ONE REASON why this is happening and it's because of October 7th. No October 7th GuppyGal Oct 2023 #16
If hamas released the hostages and surrendered Tomconroy Oct 2023 #28
Perhaps Hamas should spend its money on housing... brooklynite Oct 2023 #33
They do spend money on housing - for their leaders in Qatar. dalton99a Oct 2023 #36
Not even a believable lie. Mosby Oct 2023 #34
I know because dropping bombs on people for 15 years in a 24 mile radius will do no damage. onecaliberal Oct 2023 #65
No surprise. WarGamer Oct 2023 #43
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