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13. Of course, that poster JUST posted something anti-Netanyahu and immediately was called an anti-Semite.

Wed Nov 1, 2023, 03:30 AM

Nov 2023

Oh, wait, that last part didn't happen. It is disgusting all of these people whining about anti-Semitism but refusing to acknowledge it. Not surprising, but disgusting nonetheless.

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This question needs to be asked. Why is it impossible to voice criticism of Israel as a political [View all] TeamProg Nov 2023 OP

This subject has been the most contentious since I've been here Deuxcents Nov 2023 #1

Depending on the person's opinion it is difficult at best. walkingman Nov 2023 #2

It is complicated but I think they're linked because the first is so often rooted in the second. CincyDem Nov 2023 #8

Ah... the various nomenclarure I didn't know... electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #26

You've got it right and thanks for being interested enough to dig. CincyDem Nov 2023 #35

I've certainly heard that expression lol electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #41

Good post... electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #38

I'm with you. Grins Nov 2023 #48

The Romans BULLIED the Jewish leaders into helping them kill Jesus. raging moderate Nov 2023 #55

To Be Fair, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2023 #61

Fair. cachukis Nov 2023 #103

Uh, woah there... I haven't read the Bible in a gazillion years Did I say the Romans were "good guys"... electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #75

Oh, sorry, I meant no hostility against you personally! raging moderate Nov 2023 #78

Got it 👍 electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #93

Accepting Israel or accepting Israel as a Jewish State? karynnj Nov 2023 #43

Important to understanding. The little things. cachukis Nov 2023 #106

I think that's a good point-- Anti-Bibi is a good position. viva la Nov 2023 #58

and there are lots of people who are pro-Bibi MadameButterfly Nov 2023 #85

For me it's only partly true. I believe in Israel's right to exist. I am certainly not ratchiweenie Nov 2023 #44

I feel the same way as you do. To relate to the American experience recently was walkingman Nov 2023 #52

Yep. When Obama was elected, I was all ready for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld (a truly evil man), Rice et al PatrickforB Nov 2023 #84

My view RoeVWade Nov 2023 #46

I agree with you. As someone that grew up in the South and saw first hand walkingman Nov 2023 #49

This isn't school systems. Hieronymus Phact Nov 2023 #59

Totally missed inthewind21 Nov 2023 #99

Oh well Hieronymus Phact Nov 2023 #109

That is not antizionism. Lunabell Nov 2023 #62

No, anti-Zionism is EXACTLY what the other person wrote. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #64

Well, I disagree. Lunabell Nov 2023 #65

You are against Jewish self-determination if you are anti-Zionist. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #66

Nope. Read again. Lunabell Nov 2023 #67

BWHAHA! Seriously?! JVP. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #68

I see your mind and heart are closed. Lunabell Nov 2023 #70

As are yours. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #71

No Lunabell Nov 2023 #72

No. You are wrong. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #73

Post removed Post removed Nov 2023 #100

Jewish Voices for Peace is not a good group. Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) is a radical anti-Israel group that JohnSJ Nov 2023 #74

Ah inthewind21 Nov 2023 #101

You believe what you want bud, I will believe the ADL assessment of the group JohnSJ Nov 2023 #102

critiques of Israeli actions don't even have to be antiZionist treestar Nov 2023 #105

Agree - thank goodness we all have the right to disagree/ agree still. walkingman Nov 2023 #107

It's the 64 million dollar question Arthur_Frain Nov 2023 #3

2 friends called me anti-Semitic Tesha Nov 2023 #4

Thanks Butterflylady Nov 2023 #47

BTW when did "liberal" become such a dirty word Mad_Machine76 Nov 2023 #56

If we disagree with Right Wing ... Basic LA Nov 2023 #5

What so many posters on this thread wnylib Nov 2023 #17

Thank you, that makes sense. Basic LA Nov 2023 #23

I see quite a few posters criticizing Netanyahu wnylib Nov 2023 #25

and I see the same. +1. stopdiggin Nov 2023 #33

But that doesn't mean you can't oppose far right government policy. ratchiweenie Nov 2023 #50

Of course it doesn't. And there have been wnylib Nov 2023 #53

This is the issue for me Cosmocat Nov 2023 #20

Criticism of Netanyahu's policies does not make one Anti-Semitic AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #32

solid point (let's not pretend like there ISN'T a good deal of antisemitism out there) stopdiggin Nov 2023 #36

Yeh, way too glib NoRethugFriends Nov 2023 #34

It depends how the criticism is expressed. yardwork Nov 2023 #39

It's not impossible but we aren't going to pretend the issue is just difference JI7 Nov 2023 #6

A lot of us have asked that for years Warpy Nov 2023 #7

Nobody knows. That's why all of these topics are supposed to be in the Israel/Palestine forum. PSPS Nov 2023 #9

It's easy Sympthsical Nov 2023 #10

But progressives taking issue with right wing people Sky Jewels Nov 2023 #11

Even pro-Israel people are critical of Netanyahu Sympthsical Nov 2023 #12

Of course, that poster JUST posted something anti-Netanyahu and immediately was called an anti-Semite. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #13

I think your post is part of the problem.... TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #60

Yeah, MY post is the problem. Not the one making false claims. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #63

Please see the last paragraph of Post 30 on this thread from PCIntern TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #69

I think you might be misunderstanding the last paragraph Mosby Nov 2023 #98

I haven't seen one example of good-faith criticism of Netanyahu or Likkud being labeled antisemitic. yardwork Nov 2023 #37

Therein lies the problem kwolf68 Nov 2023 #22

and this is where you get into trouble .. stopdiggin Nov 2023 #40

If you are going to criticise, you need to be very specific Aussie105 Nov 2023 #14

Because it's a lot easier to throw around accusations of anti-Semitism than it is to defend indefensible behaviour. meadowlander Nov 2023 #15

It is simpler for some to say they support Israel Aussie105 Nov 2023 #16

Absolutely! Goddessartist Nov 2023 #27

And, just as easy, to throw around FLASE accusations of being ACCUSED of anti-Semitism.... Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #18

Excellent OP malaise Nov 2023 #19

Some issues can't be resolved here with discussion Kaleva Nov 2023 #21

I'd normally be there with you, but.... Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #24

Because neither side can separate Israel from the Jewish people. Wonder Why Nov 2023 #28

It is possible to criticize Israel, sarisataka Nov 2023 #29

First of all... PCIntern Nov 2023 #30

Well stated, PC Intern. Firestorm49 Nov 2023 #42

To be clear, Israel has an absolute right to be a nation in the ME. TeamProg Nov 2023 #31

Because the issue is deeply root Religious Fundamentalism.It is the issue at the core of the never ending conflict msfiddlestix Nov 2023 #45

Because it is rooted in religion. republianmushroom Nov 2023 #51

"Religion is the furthest thing from my mind" equals "I don't see color" HelpImSurrounded Nov 2023 #54

I don't see the problem discussing it BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #57

Who left yesterday? xmas74 Nov 2023 #94

Bibi Netanyahu's actions and continuing calls to war and battle are only increasing worldwide anti-Semitism... AntiFascist Nov 2023 #76

Given the horrific atrocities just perpetrated on Jews in Israel dlk Nov 2023 #77

I understand. cab67 Nov 2023 #80

Great point, that's a big part of the tension no doubt. nt TeamProg Nov 2023 #81

I've been attacked this way as well. cab67 Nov 2023 #79

Well said, thank you. My bro in law is of Jewish heritage though he's pretty much agnostic. He's still proud of TeamProg Nov 2023 #82

Is criticism of Israel antisemitic? nycbos Nov 2023 #83

It seems to be wrapped up.. JayDem Nov 2023 #86

Particularly when they have universal healthcare. But that's another fight. Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #87

Yes, but if you say "the Benjamins" as AOC did, then WATCH OUT ! TeamProg Nov 2023 #91

well, i say netanfuckyou. not anti isreal, just the asshole leader. pansypoo53219 Nov 2023 #88

Yeah.. I got a magats knickers in a knot when I said.. raising2moredems Nov 2023 #89

I am staying firmly out of this one. nt stage left Nov 2023 #90

Very few limbs to go out on. Close care is required. Religion is not accountable if it's TeamProg Nov 2023 #92

It's just a bad situation all the way around. stage left Nov 2023 #95

There is a lot of irony when it's Jewish liberals IronLionZion Nov 2023 #96

Israel as a country with people I don't have a problem. LiberalFighter Nov 2023 #97

No, it's a go to for somebody who doesn't want grey areas treestar Nov 2023 #104

Wholeheartedly PBateman70 Nov 2023 #108