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Aussie105

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14. If you are going to criticise, you need to be very specific

Wed Nov 1, 2023, 03:33 AM

Nov 2023

about the context of your criticism.

Don't like Bidi's hard line response? Make sure you explain that and stick to that.

People will extrapolate to 'you just hate Jews, you anti-Semite!' when they can, and it's just to shut you up.

But some people live in a monochromatic world, and nuances are wasted on them.

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This question needs to be asked. Why is it impossible to voice criticism of Israel as a political [View all] TeamProg Nov 2023 OP

This subject has been the most contentious since I've been here Deuxcents Nov 2023 #1

Depending on the person's opinion it is difficult at best. walkingman Nov 2023 #2

It is complicated but I think they're linked because the first is so often rooted in the second. CincyDem Nov 2023 #8

Ah... the various nomenclarure I didn't know... electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #26

You've got it right and thanks for being interested enough to dig. CincyDem Nov 2023 #35

I've certainly heard that expression lol electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #41

Good post... electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #38

I'm with you. Grins Nov 2023 #48

The Romans BULLIED the Jewish leaders into helping them kill Jesus. raging moderate Nov 2023 #55

To Be Fair, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2023 #61

Fair. cachukis Nov 2023 #103

Uh, woah there... I haven't read the Bible in a gazillion years Did I say the Romans were "good guys"... electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #75

Oh, sorry, I meant no hostility against you personally! raging moderate Nov 2023 #78

Got it 👍 electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #93

Accepting Israel or accepting Israel as a Jewish State? karynnj Nov 2023 #43

Important to understanding. The little things. cachukis Nov 2023 #106

I think that's a good point-- Anti-Bibi is a good position. viva la Nov 2023 #58

and there are lots of people who are pro-Bibi MadameButterfly Nov 2023 #85

For me it's only partly true. I believe in Israel's right to exist. I am certainly not ratchiweenie Nov 2023 #44

I feel the same way as you do. To relate to the American experience recently was walkingman Nov 2023 #52

Yep. When Obama was elected, I was all ready for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld (a truly evil man), Rice et al PatrickforB Nov 2023 #84

My view RoeVWade Nov 2023 #46

I agree with you. As someone that grew up in the South and saw first hand walkingman Nov 2023 #49

This isn't school systems. Hieronymus Phact Nov 2023 #59

Totally missed inthewind21 Nov 2023 #99

Oh well Hieronymus Phact Nov 2023 #109

That is not antizionism. Lunabell Nov 2023 #62

No, anti-Zionism is EXACTLY what the other person wrote. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #64

Well, I disagree. Lunabell Nov 2023 #65

You are against Jewish self-determination if you are anti-Zionist. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #66

Nope. Read again. Lunabell Nov 2023 #67

BWHAHA! Seriously?! JVP. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #68

I see your mind and heart are closed. Lunabell Nov 2023 #70

As are yours. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #71

No Lunabell Nov 2023 #72

No. You are wrong. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #73

Post removed Post removed Nov 2023 #100

Jewish Voices for Peace is not a good group. Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) is a radical anti-Israel group that JohnSJ Nov 2023 #74

Ah inthewind21 Nov 2023 #101

You believe what you want bud, I will believe the ADL assessment of the group JohnSJ Nov 2023 #102

critiques of Israeli actions don't even have to be antiZionist treestar Nov 2023 #105

Agree - thank goodness we all have the right to disagree/ agree still. walkingman Nov 2023 #107

It's the 64 million dollar question Arthur_Frain Nov 2023 #3

2 friends called me anti-Semitic Tesha Nov 2023 #4

Thanks Butterflylady Nov 2023 #47

BTW when did "liberal" become such a dirty word Mad_Machine76 Nov 2023 #56

If we disagree with Right Wing ... Basic LA Nov 2023 #5

What so many posters on this thread wnylib Nov 2023 #17

Thank you, that makes sense. Basic LA Nov 2023 #23

I see quite a few posters criticizing Netanyahu wnylib Nov 2023 #25

and I see the same. +1. stopdiggin Nov 2023 #33

But that doesn't mean you can't oppose far right government policy. ratchiweenie Nov 2023 #50

Of course it doesn't. And there have been wnylib Nov 2023 #53

This is the issue for me Cosmocat Nov 2023 #20

Criticism of Netanyahu's policies does not make one Anti-Semitic AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #32

solid point (let's not pretend like there ISN'T a good deal of antisemitism out there) stopdiggin Nov 2023 #36

Yeh, way too glib NoRethugFriends Nov 2023 #34

It depends how the criticism is expressed. yardwork Nov 2023 #39

It's not impossible but we aren't going to pretend the issue is just difference JI7 Nov 2023 #6

A lot of us have asked that for years Warpy Nov 2023 #7

Nobody knows. That's why all of these topics are supposed to be in the Israel/Palestine forum. PSPS Nov 2023 #9

It's easy Sympthsical Nov 2023 #10

But progressives taking issue with right wing people Sky Jewels Nov 2023 #11

Even pro-Israel people are critical of Netanyahu Sympthsical Nov 2023 #12

Of course, that poster JUST posted something anti-Netanyahu and immediately was called an anti-Semite. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #13

I think your post is part of the problem.... TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #60

Yeah, MY post is the problem. Not the one making false claims. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #63

Please see the last paragraph of Post 30 on this thread from PCIntern TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #69

I think you might be misunderstanding the last paragraph Mosby Nov 2023 #98

I haven't seen one example of good-faith criticism of Netanyahu or Likkud being labeled antisemitic. yardwork Nov 2023 #37

Therein lies the problem kwolf68 Nov 2023 #22

and this is where you get into trouble .. stopdiggin Nov 2023 #40

If you are going to criticise, you need to be very specific Aussie105 Nov 2023 #14

Because it's a lot easier to throw around accusations of anti-Semitism than it is to defend indefensible behaviour. meadowlander Nov 2023 #15

It is simpler for some to say they support Israel Aussie105 Nov 2023 #16

Absolutely! Goddessartist Nov 2023 #27

And, just as easy, to throw around FLASE accusations of being ACCUSED of anti-Semitism.... Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #18

Excellent OP malaise Nov 2023 #19

Some issues can't be resolved here with discussion Kaleva Nov 2023 #21

I'd normally be there with you, but.... Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #24

Because neither side can separate Israel from the Jewish people. Wonder Why Nov 2023 #28

It is possible to criticize Israel, sarisataka Nov 2023 #29

First of all... PCIntern Nov 2023 #30

Well stated, PC Intern. Firestorm49 Nov 2023 #42

To be clear, Israel has an absolute right to be a nation in the ME. TeamProg Nov 2023 #31

Because the issue is deeply root Religious Fundamentalism.It is the issue at the core of the never ending conflict msfiddlestix Nov 2023 #45

Because it is rooted in religion. republianmushroom Nov 2023 #51

"Religion is the furthest thing from my mind" equals "I don't see color" HelpImSurrounded Nov 2023 #54

I don't see the problem discussing it BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #57

Who left yesterday? xmas74 Nov 2023 #94

Bibi Netanyahu's actions and continuing calls to war and battle are only increasing worldwide anti-Semitism... AntiFascist Nov 2023 #76

Given the horrific atrocities just perpetrated on Jews in Israel dlk Nov 2023 #77

I understand. cab67 Nov 2023 #80

Great point, that's a big part of the tension no doubt. nt TeamProg Nov 2023 #81

I've been attacked this way as well. cab67 Nov 2023 #79

Well said, thank you. My bro in law is of Jewish heritage though he's pretty much agnostic. He's still proud of TeamProg Nov 2023 #82

Is criticism of Israel antisemitic? nycbos Nov 2023 #83

It seems to be wrapped up.. JayDem Nov 2023 #86

Particularly when they have universal healthcare. But that's another fight. Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #87

Yes, but if you say "the Benjamins" as AOC did, then WATCH OUT ! TeamProg Nov 2023 #91

well, i say netanfuckyou. not anti isreal, just the asshole leader. pansypoo53219 Nov 2023 #88

Yeah.. I got a magats knickers in a knot when I said.. raising2moredems Nov 2023 #89

I am staying firmly out of this one. nt stage left Nov 2023 #90

Very few limbs to go out on. Close care is required. Religion is not accountable if it's TeamProg Nov 2023 #92

It's just a bad situation all the way around. stage left Nov 2023 #95

There is a lot of irony when it's Jewish liberals IronLionZion Nov 2023 #96

Israel as a country with people I don't have a problem. LiberalFighter Nov 2023 #97

No, it's a go to for somebody who doesn't want grey areas treestar Nov 2023 #104

Wholeheartedly PBateman70 Nov 2023 #108