Every day I marvel at how poor and middle class Republicans vote against their self-interests

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59. That's what YOU think. That's not what THEY think.

You keep talking about voting against their self-interest. I'm just telling you that in their way of thinking, they are clear on some of the issues, as clear as you are, but they view it differently. You may view gays getting married as civil rights. THEY view it as the federal government forcing them to accept an unnatural thing that affects the moral fiber of the society.

I would view a particular EPA reg as necessary to preserve the air and quality of life. They might view that same reg as costing their employer money, which means the company will hire fewer employees.

Some things are propaganda. But on some things, they are clear on the specifics, but view it differently.

I'd say the propaganda parts are the "we wanna make taxes simpler and fairer for everyone." They tend to believe their leaders when they say that. I know better. You know better.

Some members of my family are far right wackos (altho I don't call them that to their faces). They tend to view all politicians with skepticism, and know they all lie. But they are clear on their wacko beliefs, which is how I described them above.

They are generally filled with hatred - yes, hatred - for liberal things and ideas. It's an automatic thing with them.