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21. Have a friend who was on a crew in Vietnam that used Eimco dozers and earthmovers

Tue Nov 7, 2023, 04:45 PM

Nov 2023

to do cleanup after battles. I've known Jim all my life and we have been nit and gritty friends since I was 19 (71 now) and he was 24 and came home from war. Wife and friends got him to go to VA now about 15 years ago. Put him on disability. Even bought the home where they had been long term renters with a VA loan 45 years after he came home from Vietnam. VA keeps him alive now.

Mention the Eimco as Father had an Eimco he used in his quarrying operation and Eimco Dozers were what Jim drove in Vietnam. Just sold the Eimco (that still ran after all these years) about 5 years ago. My Father had bought the dozer Army surplus in late 60s. It was at Mare Island after coming back from Vietnam. Looked exactly even to color as the dozer Jim drove in Vietnam and the Army green dozer at about 40 secs into this youtube.

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The US dropped two nukes on Japanese cities [View all] ripcord Nov 2023 OP

Its two (2) not to. If Israel dropped nukes on Gaza it would take out most of Israel. Srkdqltr Nov 2023 #1

I think that the OP is assuming that all of us approve of Hiroshima Chainfire Nov 2023 #4

Thank you... WarGamer Nov 2023 #43

Yeah. No. Takealeft Nov 2023 #56

Do you have anything to add to the conversation? Chainfire Nov 2023 #58

Some sorely needed context Takealeft Nov 2023 #70

The two thoughtful replies are appreciated. Chainfire Nov 2023 #76

I saw an article on Al Jazeera today. They don't want the PA back. Think they still support Hamas. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #91

are you referring to israel using nuc's? getagrip_already Nov 2023 #2

And Japan had no navy to speak of by the summer of 1945. lpbk2713 Nov 2023 #9

my father was a physician in the army air corp stationed in the philipines then..... getagrip_already Nov 2023 #10

Have a friend who was on a crew in Vietnam that used Eimco dozers and earthmovers PufPuf23 Nov 2023 #21

The sailors MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #25

JFC nuking to save lives n/t leftstreet Nov 2023 #3

An invasion of the Japanese home islands would have been far, far worse in terms of casualties for both sides. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #17

That is pure speculation obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #20

Truman warned the Japanese after Hiroshima that more bombings would follow, along with an invasion. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #28

Well that is certainly the government line on the story. Chainfire Nov 2023 #57

I'm going to have to disagree with you that the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were atrocities, I'm afraid. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #60

It should be noted SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2023 #64

Yes, the Kyūjō incident, as EX500Rider mentioned downthread. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #72

As I said, that is the government line on the history. Chainfire Nov 2023 #74

"As I said, that is the government line on the history." Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #82

When one considers the grim, fanatical tenacity Disaffected Nov 2023 #85

Their grim, fanatical tenacity to turn the tide of the war gave birth to the kamikaze. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #90

People nowadays don't understand the "Bushido" code. yagotme Nov 2023 #92

I agree with you pfitz59 Nov 2023 #67

Invasion wasn't necessary. Japan was broken and we had them surrounded. Silent Type Nov 2023 #26

Then they should have surrendered, don't you think? Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #30

They were no threat to us at that point. Silent Type Nov 2023 #37

Then they should have recognized reality and surrendered. They didn't. Things happened. N/T Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #38

OK, kill a 100,000 innocent men, women, and children because Asians wouldn't bow down, Silent Type Nov 2023 #41

Yes, American leadership had a duty to preserve American lives over Japanese lives. That's war. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #48

They were a huge threat to any American who stepped foot in their country. Jack from Charlotte Nov 2023 #65

600,000 Japanese troops were still fighting in China EX500rider Nov 2023 #66

However millions of Japanese were going to starve to death as we had the islands blockaded with subs/mines EX500rider Nov 2023 #32

Starved, turned to dust, etc., still dead. And we didn't have to let them starve. Rationalizing our vile action Silent Type Nov 2023 #35

You seem unsure how war works EX500rider Nov 2023 #42

They were no threat to us, just Asians waiting for our big bomb. We didn't have to invade. Silent Type Nov 2023 #45

So, no hurry to get the war over, to hell with the Chinese being slaughtered? EX500rider Nov 2023 #47

That's not why we nuked two cities. Silent Type Nov 2023 #53

We did it to end the war and it worked. EX500rider Nov 2023 #54

Have you ever actually studied the war in the Pacific? AkFemDem Nov 2023 #55

That's sure easy to say choie Nov 2023 #94

The US had an idea of what the mainland would be like: yagotme Nov 2023 #96

Yes, it's extraordinarily easy to say. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #97

Profanity aside, Disaffected Nov 2023 #87

Two totally separate situations, one involving terrorists and the other a country Doc Sportello Nov 2023 #5

Such a bad analogy. tinrobot Nov 2023 #6

That topic has been debated for a long time now. Caliman73 Nov 2023 #7

"There are documents that dispute those estimates" EX500rider Nov 2023 #39

Saying "moral high ground" and "United States" John Shaft Nov 2023 #8

Amen inthewind21 Nov 2023 #31

When compared to Imperial Japan & Nazi Germany we certainly were on the high ground EX500rider Nov 2023 #44

The United States did the same shit and codified it within the Constitution John Shaft Nov 2023 #62

The US fought a war to end slavery and neither of those things happened just 78 years ago EX500rider Nov 2023 #68

They didn't happen in geological time either John Shaft Nov 2023 #71

There is a serious question as to whether what we did was a crime ExciteBike66 Nov 2023 #11

Next step..."Kill them all... God will know his own!" ... albacore Nov 2023 #12

Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out Redleg Nov 2023 #14

"...how is what Israel is doing any different?" LudwigPastorius Nov 2023 #13

I reject this comparison utterly. maxsolomon Nov 2023 #15

that's hard to believe looking at before and after satellite images of Model35mech Nov 2023 #22

At that time, a lot of things were different ecstatic Nov 2023 #16

I'm very confused about why you think anyone is advocating for a return to those times. ShazzieB Nov 2023 #81

I personally think they were war crimes obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #18

Justified in each case. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #19

That is an extremely weak analogy. PufPuf23 Nov 2023 #23

The moral of the story... TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Nov 2023 #80

This brought out the revisionists BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #27

You mean Dresden, that town with no weapons, no military value, no war industry? A purely civilian target ... marble falls Nov 2023 #34

There's been a lot written about both sides of that decision. BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #36

So you're saying it's not revisionism leftstreet Nov 2023 #51

Slaughterhouse-Five, or, The Children's Crusade: A Duty-Dance with Death PufPuf23 Nov 2023 #52

The only thing that Dresden had were thousands of additional women and children refugees fleeing the Russians. Chainfire Nov 2023 #61

Dresden was a war crime, and your mocking us doesn't mean it wasn't obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #46

And your contention (revisionism) that it was a war crime doesn't make it one either. BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #49

You got that right! Chainfire Nov 2023 #77

Because our ancestors were always correct all the time.... TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #59

They were correct on those decisions. BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #78

If you think there's equivelency you need to read some WWII history, let alone ... marble falls Nov 2023 #29

Hope Israel does not join US as the only countries to use nukes to kill innocents. Silent Type Nov 2023 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Nov 2023 #40

Can you teach me to completely disregard human life? Alpeduez21 Nov 2023 #50

A-fucking-men John Shaft Nov 2023 #63

I certainly am not willing to put my human blinders on for any nation, my own included. Chainfire Nov 2023 #79

I'm really sorry you've had to adopt that stand on the government Alpeduez21 Nov 2023 #86

After the war SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2023 #69

Hamas is not going to surrender no matter how many Palestinians are killed. Earth-shine Nov 2023 #73

It is Easy Willto Nov 2023 #75

Good summation. ShazzieB Nov 2023 #83

We killed a couple of hundred thousand Japanese civilians Red Mountain Nov 2023 #89

Correct. Oopsie Daisy Nov 2023 #84

Yes we did what was necessary to end WW2. Great decision. beaglelover Nov 2023 #88

Don't assume that all of us believe dropping choie Nov 2023 #93

It saved millions of lives on both sides Calculating Nov 2023 #95