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cthulu2016

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37. Well...

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 12:31 AM

Jan 2012

Do you mean like when they take SLAUGHTERHOUSE FIVE and HUCK FINN out of school libraries for containing those two f and n words, respectively?

I've never been a fan of that.

So do we get to a standard where kids cannot say things that they read in the school library?

Just not a fan of word bans. There are some words I don't use myself, but that's my call to make.

I have, and will continue to call George Allen a flat fucking racist for the fact that his car in high scool had a confederate flag. There's no ambiguity there. But I would support his right even today to drive around Virginia in his confederate flag car, and to run for office. And would I then say he couldn't park at a school he was speaking at, as former governors sometimes do?

And why should George Allen have more first amendment rights than a student simply because he is outside the schools power?

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Missouri student loses driving rights for flying Confederate flag [View all] proud2BlibKansan Jan 2012 OP

The way of life that he refers to included slavery...which is very offensive to Americans.... rfranklin Jan 2012 #1

Would you apply the same standard to commemorating slaveholding native American cultures? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #95

Do you think you should be able to fly the Nazi flag in Germany? CreekDog Jan 2012 #99

Yes, I do. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #100

We know, we know CreekDog Jan 2012 #102

The only thing holocaust denial does is propogate hate... YellowRubberDuckie Jan 2012 #113

Slavery is offensive to anybody who believes in the concept of freedom for all... rfranklin Jan 2012 #104

Yes, it is about heritage bluestateguy Jan 2012 #2

+1 proud2BlibKansan Jan 2012 #14

So we should go in and plow up all of the Confederate oneshooter Jan 2012 #83

Absolutely not! That would be an outrage. bluestateguy Jan 2012 #90

How is the Confederate flag NOT treasonous? Zalatix Jan 2012 #3

Just curious Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #6

Sadly, they don't. Zalatix Jan 2012 #7

I'm pretty sick of this broad-brush painting of the South. Fawke Em Jan 2012 #114

Yeah, that Alan Grayson is such a racist right-winger... Hugabear Jan 2012 #116

I said the South is a breeding ground for Right Wingers, not that all Southerners are RWers Zalatix Jan 2012 #128

The United States is a breeding ground for right-wingers Hugabear Jan 2012 #129

Yup. Just look at Hayden Lake, Idaho, Art_from_Ark Jan 2012 #143

That was my first reaction too Yupster Jan 2012 #80

They amend the U.S. Constitution to allow it, then do it. eShirl Jan 2012 #82

Article 1 Section 10 Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #145

Because we are not currently at war with cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #47

But that's not the standard that was suggested in the post to which you replied. Vattel Jan 2012 #79

The definition of treason is in the constitution cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #112

good point Vattel Jan 2012 #119

And if we had a legal succession from the British Empire, A Simple Game Jan 2012 #141

I think our succession was legal, but that is arguable. Vattel Jan 2012 #158

Britain didn't think so, hence the Revolutionary war. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2012 #159

I doubt it mattered even nowadays if it was legal or not MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #160

It's a statement. "We lost, and still not over it after 150 years." eShirl Jan 2012 #84

"History" yeah that's always the explanation racists Raine Jan 2012 #4

The History of Treason, is how I usually answer that claim. arbusto_baboso Jan 2012 #105

I don't give a damn whether the ignorant asshole considers the flag racist or not. white_wolf Jan 2012 #5

The Swastika (like all Nazi iconography) is specifically banned under German law RZM Jan 2012 #9

Now they have a bunch of Swastika-like symbols that mean the same thing. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #27

I'm from Tennessee and still live here and I don't Fawke Em Jan 2012 #115

I know that not everyone does. white_wolf Jan 2012 #117

IMO it's as offensive as a swastika ProgressiveEconomist Jan 2012 #8

The Confederate Flag was removed from "over the State Capital" years ago. nt Skip Intro Jan 2012 #17

Wikipedia disagrees with you ProgressiveEconomist Jan 2012 #20

It no longer flies over the State House dome. Skip Intro Jan 2012 #22

It's been banned in cemeteries in Missouri. xmas74 Jan 2012 #66

Good. Serves that racist, traitor-loving fucker right. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #10

I suspect he will get his driving privileges reinstated Major Nikon Jan 2012 #11

Courts have ruled schools have the right to limit speech that is considered disruptive proud2BlibKansan Jan 2012 #15

If he's allowed to fly this, but that kid in Alaska can't fly 'Bong Hits for Jesus' TransitJohn Jan 2012 #50

Would it really be disruptive at a nearly white high school? pstokely Jan 2012 #58

Yes it would tkmorris Jan 2012 #62

Perhaps not, but it sure seems that way Major Nikon Jan 2012 #101

This is a test for DU and we are failing miserably. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #12

You are correct. Many DUer's support freedom of speech and expression only when Skip Intro Jan 2012 #16

+1 onenote Jan 2012 #40

You then believe that freedom of speech applies LanternWaste Jan 2012 #87

Agreed. DavidDvorkin Jan 2012 #18

Count me among the "failures". EFerrari Jan 2012 #21

Ditto n/t malaise Jan 2012 #132

Agree with you 100% - lynne Jan 2012 #23

+1 mitchtv Jan 2012 #28

Agreed. n/t X_Digger Jan 2012 #30

Schools don't allow students to have the word "fuck" written on their stuff at school, ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #31

So it's a "fuck flag" then? n/t cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #34

I am comparing the Confiderate flag to the word "fuck." ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #35

Yeah, I kinda figured that. Just stirring the pot. I'm quite literal in my interpretation of cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #38

Does that include death threats against politicians? nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #39

I do not think threats against ANYONE fall into the category of protected speech, no. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #41

I was just wondering how far you took ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #88

Not at school it's not proud2BlibKansan Jan 2012 #44

It's not absolute anywhere, but cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #46

Outside the school doors outside of school hours? joeglow3 Jan 2012 #72

On school property proud2BlibKansan Jan 2012 #78

It is a symbol of violent rebellion against the United States jberryhill Jan 2012 #152

Yup. Freedom of Speech is okay when it dovetails with MY worldview... cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #33

^ This Dead_Parrot Jan 2012 #45

A hearty +1 TransitJohn Jan 2012 #51

Except for one thing: xmas74 Jan 2012 #67

Personally, I appreciate it when racists self-identify ... makes it easier to shun them. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #69

You are 100% correct DiverDave Jan 2012 #75

I'm all for ignorant racist fucks letting everyone know who they really are. eShirl Jan 2012 #85

I agree. I prefer to know outright. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #96

I have to agree with you. As offensive as it is, it's a free speech issue. Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #86

Well said. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #91

I agree Yupster Jan 2012 #92

best response in this thread.... mike_c Jan 2012 #120

I'm surprised you take this position. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2012 #139

no, but while I'm also not "ok" with him making derogatory remarks more generally... mike_c Jan 2012 #153

My "OK" inquiry was about the "without sanction" part of my question. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2012 #155

that's a tougher question than it seems.... mike_c Jan 2012 #157

DU is not a very liberal site anymore. A Simple Game Jan 2012 #142

I had distant cousins in the Wehrmacht BiggJawn Jan 2012 #13

Pretty sure you can fly that swastika - lynne Jan 2012 #24

That's my point. BiggJawn Jan 2012 #64

How about the "Bonny Blue" flag. Or the Japanese flag oneshooter Jan 2012 #81

Yes you should be able to fly a swastika Yupster Jan 2012 #93

Good! baldguy Jan 2012 #19

I disagree with the school cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #25

Agreed. Popular speech needs no protection- it's popular. X_Digger Jan 2012 #32

How do you feel about schools that don't allow the word "fuck" on school grounds? ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #36

Well... cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #37

How about a shirt that says "fuck the police" on it. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #89

The "fuck" thing is a red herring cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #108

"In this case, a banner saying Fuck the..." ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #121

Your argument has much practical merit cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #124

But a more current Supreme Court, a few years ago, TransitJohn Jan 2012 #52

Yes. That's why I added cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #54

I think parking at school is considered a privilege pstokely Jan 2012 #60

the privilege thing is a red herring cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #110

I don't agree with the school's decision (nt) bigwillq Jan 2012 #26

Tough call for me. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #29

Well that's just ridiculous XemaSab Jan 2012 #42

Arguments for the school's position on this: cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #43

He lost parking at school rights. LeftyMom Jan 2012 #48

A narrow point: The school doesn't own the parking lot cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #49

The school administers the parking lot. If he got in a fight in the parking lot, they'd punish him. LeftyMom Jan 2012 #53

Schools have a right to limit student's free expression obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #146

Odd MFrohike Jan 2012 #55

The headline is terrible cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #56

That makes sense MFrohike Jan 2012 #57

It is a first amendment issue cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #59

Nope MFrohike Jan 2012 #61

It makes sense, but it doesn't really hold up to analysis onenote Jan 2012 #70

Thank you. cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #111

I despise your analysis MFrohike Jan 2012 #123

The First Amendment intends to cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #125

Heh MFrohike Jan 2012 #126

I think the school would prevail cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #127

Paralleling me MFrohike Jan 2012 #150

The great thing about the First Amendment is that you are free to despise my analysis onenote Jan 2012 #133

I can agree...for adults MFrohike Jan 2012 #151

I think this is a free speech issue. He should be allowed cliffordu Jan 2012 #63

Shouldn't it be an act of treason? xmas74 Jan 2012 #65

Not under the Constitution of the United States onenote Jan 2012 #68

I live in the same state where this case happened xmas74 Jan 2012 #135

Isn't this the same town where the homeschool family got the book banned? proud2BlibKansan Jan 2012 #71

Yes The Genealogist Jan 2012 #109

Yes he's a homeschooler proud2BlibKansan Jan 2012 #118

The Vonnegut books? xmas74 Jan 2012 #134

Personally I think calling Confederates traitors is unfair Yupster Jan 2012 #97

That's history for you, Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #106

The Supreme Court ruled secession was unconstitutional in Texas v. White Hugabear Jan 2012 #131

That was after the fact Yupster Jan 2012 #137

I'm not calling Jefferson Davis a traitor, xmas74 Jan 2012 #136

Just a note of interest Yupster Jan 2012 #138

That's interesting. xmas74 Jan 2012 #140

I'm calling Davis a traitor, and Lee obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #147

Geeze - that's pretty tough Yupster Jan 2012 #149

For fun ... ask a person who flies the Confederate Flag if its ok to BURN the US Flag ... JoePhilly Jan 2012 #73

Confederates: YOU LOST! GET OVER IT! elehhhhna Jan 2012 #74

I wonder if the article should say "parking privilages", not "driving privilapges". JoePhilly Jan 2012 #76

That was the first thing that hit me reading the headline treestar Jan 2012 #77

Another lost opportunity for a teaching moment. The Midway Rebel Jan 2012 #94

The day Abraham Lincoln was inaugurated Yupster Jan 2012 #98

Why can't we all agree to use pirate flags? L0oniX Jan 2012 #103

Ah, heritage and a way of life gratuitous Jan 2012 #107

Well, if the police did that in Georgia, RebelOne Jan 2012 #122

And that noose hanging from his rear view mirror? MineralMan Jan 2012 #130

I don't have a problem with people waving their Confederate flags Art_from_Ark Jan 2012 #144

What I find most offensive is that apparently the school ... moriah Jan 2012 #148

if you fly the confederate flag your a racist moron rdking647 Jan 2012 #154

In Missouri that action could cause one hell of a fight. I suspect the roots that lead back to the jwirr Jan 2012 #156